I can prove the existance of God. Right now.

Neither happened. Your misunderstanding of the implications of the Big Bang theory is the downfall of your argument. You see, after the Big Bang, there was energy and matter and anti-matter-- NOT just atoms. All of those eventually cancelled out most of anti-matter. THEN they condensed into molecules, compounds and then things like asteroids, planets, comets and stars and thus, galaxies and what have you. No life, yet, you notice.

There are a few theories about where life came from. I won't have to eplain those, because you're incorrect in your definition of life. You seem to think that life is a) self-aware and b) unable to spontaneously arise. Life is a complex series of chemical reactions, NOT self-aware atoms. End of story.

And yes, there are a variety of ways in which non-living compounds can turn into living compounds.

What makes us conscious is a complex net of nerves, constantly releasing an action potential in response to stimuli.

One of the arguments posed by creationists and believers in intelligent design seems to be that it's "unlikely" that life would arise by chance. However, given the conditions of primordial Earth, it's incredibly likely. In the favorable conditions Earth had for several billion years, it's extremely likely that the right molecules were in the right place at the right time.

If you have an experiment with a really small chance that it will give rise to life, and then you do that experiment over and over for several million years, there's very little chance that it WON'T give rise to life. If you have geothermal vents blowing nitrogenous compounds into bubbles for millions of years, eventually, you'll have an enormously good chance that, by the time conditions change, there will be a very large quantity of organic compounds. If you have the same compounds getting trapped in crystals for millions of years, eventually you'll have organic molecules.

According to current scientific research, there is no place for any sort of "super being" or "super intelligent creator." Anywhere. Period. Do your research next time.

 

Where to begin? You're correct that the OP's discussion of the Big Bang theory is nonsense. However, some of what you say about life is also questionable. First of all, there is scads of literature by creationists pushing the "anthropic prinicple" or the "fine-tunedness" the universe: arguing that the conditions in the universe and our particular planet made life inevitable (and of course we know how it got so finely tuned). Christian evolutionist Kenneth Miller argues that the finely tuned conditions made it inevitable that intelligent life forms would evolve. Secondly, science is far from understanding how life began. Check out Paul Davies latest, The Fifth Miracle, for where we are on that matter. Nor do scientists understand the phenomenon of consciousness. What you're presenting is materialist speculation.

 

where did the universe come from? Its pretty damn big and all (unmeasurable), but is it really all there is, ever was and will be? Its just unbelievable to think that it stretches on literally forever in all directions. There must be something bigger than this, something that encases this universe and something to encase that and.... shit...

 

Something bigger than infinity?
Infinity +1, that's where God is.
I think that's where this thread is going.

 

man , the atoms that you say cant go *click* "omg i'm an atom" make up the nuerons in a brain, and the neurons carry electronic messages, just like computer binary, to specific function-based areas of the brain. these electric surges amalgamate into greater processes, and we feel them, and interpret them. and percieve via them.
the more neurons there are, the more intelligent a species is.

god did not make some life force.


your theory is flawed and naive. there is maths for everything. and god is your imaginary friend.

 

There is maths for everything?

 

theoretically, yes.

if you want hard fact and no "but what ifs" then you're in the wrong life.

 

hell yes theres a math for everything. physics my friend.

 

Hard facts are nice. Math is fine too. Life is life, right or wrong. You only live once.

 

yawn.

 

The universe doesn't go on forever. It's finite. Just because something's big doesn't mean there by default is something bigger.

And Okie, I know I was branching out into speculation. I figured I only had to defend my points against the OP and so went out on several limbs. I'll remember you're around fact-checking next time.

 

if the universe is finite, then that means there is an end to it somewhere, a border.... so what exactly is on the other side of that border?

 

Once upon a time man thought if you sailed far enough out into the ocean you would fall off the edge of the world. Turns out they were wrong.

 

love it

 

so what if the universe is round? Then that would mean there is still an outer border, and therefore something on the other side..

 

Yea but why do you nonbelievers speak as if man's theories are the only things that gets disproved?? Science gets disproved all the fuckin time yet atheists hold onto that shit for dear life. The most recent developments in science actually support the idea of God. You ever heard of the Observer Effect??

What I don't understand is why you nonbelievers even bother debating with people who do believe. You atheists nowadays are pathetic. When I was an atheist, I felt so strongly about it that people who believed in God weren't even worth my time far as I was concerned and you wouldn't catch me dead on a board like this. You can prove God by letting go of your stupidity and stop arguing against everyone's truths when the same shit you hold to be true will be proven wrong by the end of the century.

Science has been proven to be incorrect time and time again but Spirituality has NEVER been disproved and neither has God. And the idea of the Big Bang Theory doesn't explain where everything came from either because apparently everything had an origin except that tiny little dot that somehow expanded into infinity. Matter can neither be created nor destroyed so what makes you think the Universe was created to begin with?? The Universe was never created and neither was God.

Case closed.

 

I agree with a lot of what you're saying, man, but the case is never closed. I think science and religion operate in different spheres, and neither of them can claim definitive truth. Science by its very essence is tentative--based on theories from which refutable hypotheses can be derived and tested. Big Bang and evolution are accepted because they provide the most adequate explanation of the known facts, have been tested many times, and so far have held up. But there is always the possibility of finding that rabbit fossil in the Cambrian, in which case we'd abandon Darwin or modify his theory drastically! Relativity hit Newtonian physics pretty hard, although it's still useful in many everyday predictions. I see this as a strength of science, not a weakness.

I also agree that religion looks like it's here to stay, because: (1) it fulfills important psychological and sociological needs, and (2) unlike science, it seldom deals in refutable propositions. Sometimes religions do venture to make concrete predictions about obesrvable reality, which is always risky. I'm thinking of the various predicitions about the end of the world on specific dates which have come and gone. I think the biblical literalists also leave themselves open to the possibility that someone will find a contradiction in scripture which will shatter their claims of inerrancy. But even Dawkins, Hitchens, Harris, and Dennett seem to accept the need for the "numinous", and so far spirituality and religion seem to functioning to serve that need.

 

You should do more research on evolution. Its been proven in labs that life can form... try reading something on the research of Stanley Miller. He was able to recreate the atmospheric conditions of early earth in a closed container. After he exposed it to ultra violet light (like what would have naturally come from the sun) nucleic and amino acids formed. Those are the foundation for life. Combine that with billions of years and the presents of water, and living organisms is inevitable.

 

Please explain to me how in the fuck the Big Bang has been tested and held up.

And how come it does absolutely nothing to explain where that so called little dot appeared from??

 

LMAO I was asking myself "is this dude/chick serious??"

Then I took a look at your display name.

You allowed your life to become so miserable you spend a good portion of it trying to get as far away from reality as possible and you wonder why you have such a hard time believing in God. How about you get sober, do some soul searching, then you can stop saying stupid shit like life appears out of thin air.