I can prove the existance of God. Right now.

From Wikipedia:

"This symbol peace was originally used for the Direct Action Committee Against Nuclear War (DAC) and was adopted as its badge by the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament (CND) in Britain, and originally was used by the British nuclear disarmament movement. It was subsequently adopted as an international emblem for the 1960s anti-war movement, and was also adopted by the counterculture of the time. It was designed and completed February 21, 1958 by Gerald Holtom, a professional designer and artist in Britain for the April 4 march planned by DAC from Trafalgar Square, London to the Atomic Weapons Research Establishment at Aldermaston in England."

"The symbol itself is a combination of the semaphoric signals for the letters "N" and "D," standing for Nuclear Disarmament. In semaphore the letter "N" is formed by a person holding two flags in an upside-down "V," and the letter "D" is formed by holding one flag pointed straight up and the other pointed straight down. These two signals imposed over each other form the shape of the peace symbol."

(from:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_symbol#The_peace_symbol)

It's an anti-nuclear symbol, not a cross dude.

 

yep ok fair enough no.....problem, but this is my opinion on it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occultism#Occultism 'The truth is always hidden in plain sight'


The fact that the symbol resembles a bird foot in a circle gave rise to spurious alternative interpretations, ranging from plain mockery of "crow's foot" or "The footprint of the American Chicken" (suggesting that peace activists were cowards) to a number of occult meanings, such as an upside down crucifix with the arms broken downward, suggesting the way that St. Peter was martyred (see Cross of St. Peter). Others have claimed that the symbol resembles a medieval sign known as "Nero's Cross" that represents Christian heresy. Alternatively, some have suggested that the symbol is an inverted Elhaz rune, which would reverse the rune's meaning, according to the critics, from 'life' to 'death' (although the Elhaz rune is thought to mean elk[9]). As well, a commonly repeated conjecture during the 1960s was that it was an antichrist symbol: a representation Jesus on the cross upside-down or the broken cross of Christianity.[10][11][12][13] Gerald Holtom's explanation of the genesis of the symbol and his first drawings of it, however, do not support those interpretations. Ken Kolsbum, a correspondent of Mr. Holtum, says that the designer came to regret the symbolism of despair, as he felt that peace was something to be celebrated and wanted the symbol to be inverted.[14] The peace symbol was also believed by some to represent a swept-wing bomber, the type that would be used to deliver a nuclear weapon. Ironically, a nearly identical symbol was used by the Nazi German 3rd Panzer Division during World War II.[15]

 

That's cool man. Looks like we had a difference of opinion. My concern was what the symbol politically in regards to the anti-nuke campaign when it was designed in the 50's. Looking back on the exchange we had last night I think its its kind of cool that people can read mystical meanings into what would be otherwise be rather mundane symbolism (mundane in the spiritual sense that is).

It's just a difference of political vs. mystical opinion and while I cringe at the thought of anything mystical anymore, there is plenty of room in the world for both points of view.

 

who cares it's just a symbol.

 

i think the symbol is irrelevant to the topic

 

I quite agree but I didn't bring it up.

 

"Life" is a chemical process. Just because it's complex doesn't mean it was created by some all-powerful all-seeing guy who watches over us.

Truth is, no one really knows how life began. It's fascinating to study it and try to figure things like this out, but to say "God did it" and fold your arms is just silly.

We created God. At the time, we had no other explanation for the way things were.

 

Well said Peter. BTW, Thanks for getting us back onto the topic at hand. I'll admit I got a little carried away with the whole peace sign debate, but its nice to be back on subject again.

I very much agree with your last statement. God is a creation of man.

 

The notion that humans created God to explain physical reality at a time when scientific explanations were unavailable is an interesting hypothesis but perhaps a bit simplistic and empirically unsubstantiated. There is at least as much evidence to support the contention that humans discovered God as a result of thinking about observed facts. There are also many other reasons for believing in God besides explaining physical reality. Since, as you say, science is as yet unable to explain the origin of life, consciousness and the apparent fine tuning of the universe, some kind of cosmic intelligence seems as plausible an explanation as any. At least, astrophysicist Professor Paul Davies seems to think so. But I agree that folding one's hands and saying "God did it" is unwarranted. These questions are too interesting to stop looking for more answers.

 

Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe..

Now don't get mad guys it's just some hope!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Searches_for_Noah's_Ark

 

oh dear, the hunt for noah's ark.
what next?
the search for the rusty nails that were rammed through jesus' hands?

 

hmmm... its not proof of GOD. But after much pondering... I have no choice but accept the following very basic logic.

If A: Science says Energy cannot be destroyed?
and B: Consciousness itself is a form of electric energy mesurable on PET and MRIs?

Then A+B = Consciousness cannot be destroyed.

Therefor, the body may die and rot, but the consciousness remains.

THERE IS LIFE AFTER DEATH.

AND:

If All you are first has to be thought.
Then you are being that manifests reality by virtue of consciousness

If there is nothing more to the universe then what our five senses perceive then: why are we equiped with the ability to imagine walking through walls or flying in our minds or defying other laws of the material world?

Therefor, consciouness itself is an energy operating beyond the laws or the 3 dimensional world we live in.

CONSIOUSNESS HAS NO BOUNDARY.

 

LOL, with that so called logic a 100 watt light bulb is capable of more calculations and data storage than a Sony Playstation 2!

 

Good point, relaxxx. Well stated.

 

Energy can't be destroyed, but it doesn't necessarily persist in the same form. Also, some scientists believe that information is a third fundamental thing besides matter and energy. We really don't understand the phenomenon of consciousness, so we can't tell whether or not it's possible for it to survive independently of a material brain.

 

Uhh, we mostly understand the phenomenon of consciousness. Do we need to revisit the "man in the house" analogy again?

 

This is exactly why I used both ideals to describe my beliefs about consciousness. They have to be combined in order for my apparent LOW IQ understanding of my universe to make sense.

My point is

1. I THINK therefor I AM

Now this is philosophy. But it's truth. You (a human) cannot exist without thinking.

this falling into the the what came first chicken or Egg debate. But, this is where I simply choose to believe that conscious energy has to exist before it can be in human form. Why else could you be logically equipped with the ability to reason beyond the basic laws of matter?

No test No science. Just simple fact.

Dont you find it peculiar that if consciousness needs a brain/matter to function you can sit there in your own mind a draw cartoon of yourself ripping out your own brain smashing it with a hammer (Itchy and Scratchy style) and laughing. Or flying, or walking through a wall or anything that defies said laws of said matter?

If I am so stupid, then let's have it, WHY is this energy form equipped with ability to imagine things that cannot be MATERIALIZED.

I will not personally accept Mickey Mouse analogies trying to make me look like a fool. If your dear sweet science can prove me wrong. Good enough I shall lay down my sword.

Till then...

You want an anology, here is a good one. When you sit on an ice cream cone I bet you can taste it.

 

Our imaginations are necessary parts of intelligent minds. They aid in all sorts of problem solving, hunting, tool making and inventing. What part of "I think therefore I Am" proves I exist outside of my gray matter? The only proven FACT is if I damage my gay matter I will never be the same, I will have reduced mental capacities.

We all may be broken down into pure energy but consciousness is ONLY known to exist as a complex interaction between billions of states of energy inside our gray matter. A sine wave blasting through space does not think. It took energy billions of years to collect in COMPLEX forms and EVOLVE to a state of higher COMPLEXITY before it could even begin to think inside a biological organism.

 

BLAH, honnestly, bottom line, in the sea of spritual madness on this planet right now. I would rather see a man be an atheist clinging to his freedom then a man who is religiously brainwashed into giving up his freedom.

Belief in god doesn't necessarily mean you're smart enough to realize the importance of this fact.

 

The only ones who see are those who look.