I can prove the existance of God. Right now.

im sorry i insulted you people

 

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/offbeat/2008/09/19/hyntka.ks.jesus.on.ceiling.kwch

 

and how do you know this? were you a dog in a past life? it used to be thought that blacks wher not human!

 

Hitler never proved the existence of God. But Pink Floyd did to ME.

All we did: was exchanged a walk on part in a War for a lead role in a cage. And that's really no better to Jaspers.

But you get listened to in the second form of ahistory, said Osama Bin Laden.

 

I'm pretty sure.

but I could be wrong
but I could be right

 

Evolution is not random like numbered balls in a lottery wheel. This is how creationists attempt to dismiss these theories in their simple polarized minds. Evolution is much more dynamic. The "dice" of evolution are somewhat loaded. Loaded by the natural intrinsic laws of energy, magnetism, matter, and chemical reactances.

Sure if we could set the clock back X#years, It is highly likely that I myself would not exist but slightly more likely a human like me would exist and if not human slightly more likely some kind of intelligence would developed. Yes there is chance involved but only when chance falls on the right numbers is it important.

If intelligent life can manage to develop on 1 in a billion planets and have this debate on whether or not they are a miracle, do the other 999,999,999 personally believe it is a miracle too? If you believe in God you must!

 

I have personal evidence that there is no god. This is not tangible, objective evidence of non existance, just the result of personal experience and things I have seen that can only lead to that conclusion.

I cannot prove the non existence of god to anyone else, but I have all the evidence I need to prove it to myself. Personal discovery is really the only way to to cement to existence or non existance of a god in one's mind.

I always kept an open mind on such things, not making a decision until evidence one way or the other became available. I now have that evidence from personal experiences and can conclusivley say there is no god.

If there is a god he's not on my side. If there is a god, he is a dissapointing failure so why bother to believe in him? A useless god is the same as no god at all. So for me its a moot point. It doesn't matter if a god exists, he does not exist to me.

That is pretty much the nature of my personal evidence and for me its all I need. Every one else will have to make their own decisions in their own way.

 

But why the emphasis on 'I' being on either side of the Situation, if 'God' is greater and masters the situations of All: then everything is in an arrational way solved. If 'I' after-all like you say am that insistent competitor to the containment of many situations, am the one for mastering in ill-regard of the good reason for our balance of (I would have to call it) the tree of Life, then we would still be in the situation of comparing situations, as opposed to comparing simplified one thing in the known space of change and time to another thing measurably better or worse.

Because I after-all make the mistake for measuring a Situation for better or worse in the name of deciding Good or Evil resolutely for and against Time.

I must not fail God, not time. Not bad.

 

Yes, some creationists like to portray evolution as a completely random process,like the proverbial 747 jet being assembled by a tornado in a junk yard. I think Dawkins has the better of the argument, by pointing out that natural selection operates against these random processes. But there is no consensus in the scientific community that some intelligent life would have developed
probably have developed if humans didn't. As a matter of fact, if Gould is right, it isn't likely at all. So your belief is conjecture (I won't insult you by calling it faith). For arguments on both sides, see the latest edition of Skeptic magazine.

 

Personal experience of the non-existence of something is an interesting concept. Ordinarily, we think of non-existent entities as inaccessible to the senses, so if God doesn't exist, how could you determine this by personal experience or observation? (Yes, I agree, those of us who assert the existence of God have the burden of coming up with evidence, but that's a different matter). If you don't believe in God because you see no reason to do so, that would be a more tenable position, but phrasing it as experience of God's non-existence is unusual.

 

You're right, it is unusual. A year ago I would have said you can't definitively prove the non-existence of god, but thing have since occurred to change my opinion on the matter. The main reason for my conclusion is inactivity and indifference on the part of the assumed god. If such a being exists, why would he sit idly by and leave the world to its own vices without offering help or assistance for his supporters? If said god exists he has willfully chosen to hide form view, effectively removing himself from existance in the eyes of those on earth. Whether or not this mystical enity may exist in some of the distant reaches of the universe is a moot point. He does not exist here, nor would care to exist here. So for me he does not exist at all. Furthermore and indifferent god is an undeserving god, completely unqualified to recieve to worship or reverence of anyone on earth who has been the subject of that indifference (and by that I'm refferring to everyone on earth). The occurrances on the earth are the direct result of random events, completely outside the reach of any supernatural enity. Therefore if the universe is random, and its events are random, then there is no oversight by any supernatural entity. A random universe is a universe without a god. I don't know if that clarified the point any more or not, but it makes perfect sense to me and for me there can be no other conclusion.

I'm not saying you shouldn't believe in a god, if you want to believe go right ahead. But for me putting faith in the supernatural is a waste of effort that will only lead to disappointment becaue like it or not the randomness of the universe is not going to be superceded by any distant entity.

 

i respect your theory and your beliefs but it sounds like you have done ALOT more spiritual research than you have scientific.

Listen to what I have to say today to avoid wasting many years with one foot on the brake and one foot on the gas "DON'T TRY TO BE A CREATIONIST" it will not ever work.

 

That's not even the half of it. In many cases the people who believe they are closest to God live in the most horrific conditions with the least amount of freedoms and carry out the most violent crimes against humanity!

God actually appears to be more of an EVIL influence in the grand scheme of things than neutral. But God is not real, there is no "evil", just the mental illness of religion, the grand old organized ignorance.

 

No where in you're post did I see evidence that proves a god. You just tried (miserably and ignorantly with pretend knowledge) to prove there is no such phenomena as evolution.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

EDIT: Yeal is a troll and is only 17.

 

Prove that money exists. Unless the central bank produces it for serialization, and then there can be only so much; then it is a matter of substantial relativity from no point in space and time.

 

Huh?

 

I mean the money as per belonging to the state, not it's defnition, but how it makes goods responsibly a valuable for individual ownership. I guess we can also prove the existence of individual measures for security of the individual against intrusion by the society, and/or social measures of protecting the state against the individual ruining it for the group.

 

I'm sorry. I just can't follow what you are trying to say there. NBD.

 

Okay, I had to read the original post, and the first couple pages, then skip straight to page..54?! Jesus, this has been going for awhile. Here's my couple o' pennies:

I believe in evolution, but also believe in higher...whatever you wanna call it. Event. Purpose. Being. Divine-ness...love...what have you. And of course that "belief" to me is not just a belief, but a 100% unquestionable fact, so obvious to me that I sometimes wonder how anyone could even dispute it...but I understand that anyone who believes to the contrary feels the same about me. And really I don't think any of us have conflicting beliefs....I think somehow we are all searching for one grand truth, but our different ways of seeing it ties our words into knots and cast shadows that create the illusion of conflict...ok, getting a little carried away...back to the topic:

I actually agree with the original poster, it's the "can't get something from nothing" deal. That raw materials (atoms, energy, and whatnot) could never turn into sentience, consciousness, experience. My body is whatever it's made out of, and that in itself is amazing. Think about it: If evolution occurred, and all things came from that one thing/moment (and I believe it did), then we are as old as the stars, we are as old as time. Our bodies, though they seem young, are actually made of material that's been here since the beginning...all that history is in us. I believe the same applies to our consciousness, our soul, it has also been here since the beginning, it's the very thing that caused the beginning, it is what we all came from.

Our sentience is something completely intangible, there is no way to prove it, it only exists in concept, and yet we experience it, we know it's real. There is now way our consciousness is "made out of" electrical impulses, atoms, etc. There is something greater going on. Here's a couple things I like to ponder on to get in the mind-boggled state of mind:

What makes life want to live? Cells and particles grow and multiply, organisms reproduce and evolve, the universe and everything it's made out of seeks to express itself more and more and MORE. "Life is a golden river, forever surging outward into the depths!"

And we are that universe, we are made of it, and observing it at the same time. We are the universe observing itself! This concept's been illustrated as an eyeball looking at it's own tail (or vein or whatever it is that comes out the back of an eyeball)...

What created existence? Not space or time or any of that, but the very EXISTENCE that that space and time occupy. And, whatever your answer was, think on this: For that existence to have been created, there had to have already been a greater existence for that creation to occur in. And an even greater one for the existence of THAT existence, so on and so forth...

Sometimes I feel it is pointless to debate this, just like politics, cuz nobody is gonna change their mind, they might hear what your saying, but they're not gonna "feel it" the way you do...and the discussion falls apart into a battle of technicalities, making this point and that point, picking out inconsistencies in the other guy's argument, but the real meaning of the whole conversation is lost by now.

Okay, done now. ( :

 

Well stated relaxxx. Why would anybody support a god who is evil? To accept the existence of a god is to accept the existence of an evil malevolent god. So I will give the believers the benefit of the doubt and do their supposed god a favor by believing he doesn't exist. To do otherwise to accept evil.