I can prove the existance of God. Right now.

I do not feling like reading all 50 pages...

But sure. Life had to come from somewhere, as did matter and energy and all that good stuff. But I refuse to call it a god, or to capitalize any letters in reverence to it. Because sure, there is a source, but its probably not conscious and it probably doesnt affect me at all. And if it does, fuck it, I dont like it, if it kills me, so what? So, in the true meaning of god, no, there is no god for me.

 

Brilliant.

 

There are some questions that humans cannot currently answer yet, and some questions which don't even need answering. The origin of all life is truly irrelevant, Because without us reality would simply cease to exist as it does now.

A concept of a concept is a creation of ours. Therefore, the concept of the universe, the earth, space, the stars, religion, they are all made by us.

Humans are self aware, that is what separates humanity from other animal species. And that is why we reside in human bodies. We are the consciousness and self awareness that exists in the human head. We are the totality of human evolution ( humans currently being the most evolved of all sentient life forms) We are dependent upon humanity to exist as we do now, as humanity is dependent upon consciousness and self awareness for it to exist as it does. If all humanity was to be wiped off the face of the earth, reality would cease to be how it is now. Consciousness would still exist, as it does in the animal kingdom- but there is no self awareness, therefore, we, as consciousness, would be trapped in an inferior body until evolution caught up with humanity again. This would mean there would be no 'Earth' no 'God' no 'Religion' no 'Universe.' There would only be the most basics of animal consciousness - among these being the desire to create offspring , fight or flee.

Too many people look to the skies for answers, the reality is that most of the answers lie within ourselves. We are all of creation. It is the self - awareness of being alive that allows for the creation of concepts such as the universe, the earth and religion. It is this that can be known as super consciousness - it is within every human, and is fundamental link that connects us all. We're all a part of creation, our realities are reflections of this- most people just aren't 'awake' yet.

 

what makes you think that outher animals are not self aware?
what constitutes "self awareness"?

 

C. Life and consciousness are flukes of physics, and purely accidental.

 

Please, ignore my post, it was pretty ignorant

 

now that.....is fucking brilliant

 

more energies than the ones that meet the eye. i do recall the law of science "energy can neither be created nor destroyed."

 

there were self-replicating molecules, and then that turned into dna, and then into prokaryotes, then eukaryotes

thats what happened. you're right about that part of non living things just becoming living. it all had to build before there was true life.

 

chimps humans and dolphins are the only animals that can sense induviduality

 

So, are you saying YOU are a purely accidental fluke of physics? Or are you without life and consciousness?

With all love and respect to you and life and consciousness and physics and purity and accidents . . . I don't believe you. I don't know why you expect me to.

 

not into ideas that dont make a lot of assumptions?

its fine that you dont believe it.....but could you?

 

I can only presume to know the assumptions your ideas make. Who knows?

I think there is reason to believe good exists beyond our ability to define it. Quality unexperienced . . . the belief that it exists and CAN be experienced is one good reason to pay attention to reality, one good reason to get out of bed in the morning and continue to live. But I don't believe in just any old idea that makes a lot of assumptions, and I don't believe ANY cognative model of reality is complete.

It certainly does not mean science is wrong. I am a firm believer in the laws of physics, in a 4.5 billion-year-old Earth in a 13 billion-year-old Universe, in Evolution, in the as-yet-undefined Unified Field Theory.

Science is measurably true, and immeasurably valuable. But even science is incomplete. There is far more to all of this.

There is a way to understand all of this that is good, clear, all-inclusive (science, religion, art, and all of the eternal human institutions are all recognized . . . ), and transcendent (. . . as a vital, integral part of the greater whole). With this understanding comes a much wiser, healthier, more meaningful and more fulfilling relationship with reality.

This reality can only be perceived when one no longer insists on understanding it only in the terms of science or religion or art or culture or politics or any other exclusive school of thought.

This reality can only be perceived when one no longer insists on willful ignorance of science, religion, art, culture, politics or any other meaningful school of thought.

This is all I can say.

Yes, I could, and I do . . . but I believe it is a lesser vision. There is far more to the whole picture than physics alone.

Peace and Love

 

LOL this thread had almost all the answers! None of them point to GOD, AKA eternal consciousness! Options A and B have been thoroughly annihilated.

And I am not a "fluke", I am a product of millions of years of natural selection. There may have been a 1 in (insert infinite value here) fluke 14 billion years ago that opened the path to life and then intelligent life followed only afterwards. This goes according to all logical and mentally sane and sound evidence that suggests this direction.

 

yes, I agree with Relaxxx. The value of unity in the orgnization of matter precedes it's concretized existence. We are witnessing the explanation of particles and atomic reactions: the unity of movement and spatial occupation, and as far as this is becoming concretely the individual of Man on history, it develops through time into ever and ever more complex forms, but abstractly the unity principle allows that that corporeality is simplified into the destroyable into complexity Body (the death). But the real simplification is the reduction of chaos into order, and in the Soul, or spirit of things, the definitively determined essential Life of consciousness through time, the active Unity of being a God-like creature.

Except for the flaw of resistence as believing in oneself against all means of mechanical breakdown humans would be God.


Really, it is the believing that enabled life's development, not the fake energy of compassionate breakdown.

 

"All mentally sane and sound evidence"? I hate to break this to you, but if evolutionary biologist Stephen Jay Gould is correct (and mentally sane and sound), you may be kinda flukey. In his books Wonderful Life and Full House, he argues the role of contingency in human evolution: such is the role of contingency in evolution that if the tape of life were turned back about 350 million years and replayed a million times, humans still probably wouldn't have evolved and we wouldn't be having this conversation. Paleontologist Donald Protero agrees. So our existence is either a miracle or an extraordinary fluke.

 

i think their was a bit of misunderstanding but i cant even begin to critique that

 

god can and cannot be proven. its down to the individuals belief.

 

And I concur with those theories, my problem is with the use of the word fluke, it is disrespectful to the path that millions of years of NATURAL SELECTION and struggle that got us to this point. On top of that creationists will use "fluke" and "random" in their infinite ignorance to spin evolution into the toilet, pretty much exactly what your trying to do here.

 

Heaven forefend! I believe in evloution and Darwin. But if Gould is correct, there were so many contingencies in getting to intelligent life forms that it would be exceptionally improbable we'd get here again if we turned back the clock. That's very different from saying it all happened randomly, like Hoyle's 747 being assembled by a tornado. I'll concede that natural selection played a central role, and is able to achieve impressively complex results, as Dawkins explained in The Blind Watchmaker. But isn't it still amazing that blind forces were able to produce beings that can contemplate their place in the universe and have discussions like this, and that if one or two slightly different contingency had happened, this might never have happened. I call it a miracle, but I'll settle for "fluke", defined as: "a stroke of good luck'; "a chance occurrence"; or "an accident"--a very lucky one for us!