I blame it on the FRENCH !

True quote from French President Jacques Chirac:
"As far as I'm concerned, war always means failure."
Obviously he was speaking for the French

 

There you go again with conspiracy theories .? LOL

 

You simply don't have any proof that he had anything to do with it ?even if you did, I bet PointBreak could get him off on the ground of diminished responsibility !!

LOLOLOLOL ?

 

Come on now USNavyDeadHead. You know what he was saying. He was certainly speaking for many Americans as well!

 

Polls also show that most Iraqis supported the invasion.

Of course who the hell are they to defy the will of Laughing Willow!

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This post is ideologically incorrect. Please erase from your brain.

 

Hitler would have been a mute point if certain unfortunate, and avoidable, circumstances had not been met. This is obvious. The Wiemar Republic would have been a functioning liberal democracy had Germany not been crippled with war debt, plus the cost of reconstruction, coupled with skyrocketing inflation.
Had the Treaty of Versailles not been so vindictive, had their been a Marshal Plan equivalent, etc. Hitler would not have had an audience.

My point all along has been, let's do the smart thing BEFORE we go to war. No that we find ourselves where we are at, we owe it to our troops, esp. the ones who have died or were injured, and to the Iraqi people to get the job done.

 

So no, I would not have shot Hitler. To answer your question.

Saddam and Hitler had a very similar political philosophies. Both were national-socialists, quasi-secular, totalitarian, hated Jews, etc. So a played out, but still relevant, question about doing the right thing BEFORE war, why did we support Saddam?

Also, you mentioned that many Iraqis supported the US-led invasion after Saddam was toppled. While I do not know to what extent this is true, abuses by US Armed Forces have squashed goodwill. If you look at the areas controlled by Brittish troops, for example, they are much more secure, the troops have cordial relations with the community, etc. Why can't we do the same?

 

Are you implying that because of some political similarity between Hitler & Saddam, this justifies genocide ??? I think I misunderstand you ..

We didn't support Saddam in his oppression of his people ! we did support what we hoped would be a secular country in a region of religious fundamentalist... Clearly we were wrong !!!!! If you realise you have made a mistake is it better to try and rectify your mistake ? or would you prefer us to carry on supporting him ? wishing we didn't in the first place is futile.....

good point !!! The US could learn from the British, I hope they do ....
as to the support for the action, it is still overwhelming, but the TV companies would hardly have any viewers if they showed quiet suburbs in Iraq..... conflict and drama is the only news ...

 

I am not sure where you got that, but, umm, no.

Stalin, Mao, Ho Chi Minn, Castro, etc. were secular as well. While alliances with stalin may have been expedient for the situation we were in, a democracy should avoid supporting a dictatorship at all costs. Religious fundamentalism in the Middle East is a 20th C. phenomenon in reaction to colonialism and oppression/control of resources from the west. We also should not have supplied Saddam with intellegence that we knew would be used to gas 1,000s of Iranian soldiers, etc. The whole blood on the hands thing.

That is also a good point. And I hope the elections will be meaningful for most Iraqis. Hopefully, it will give a legitimate mandate to rule and quell what is going on. I pray for our troops in the coming weeks!

 

I'de have to agree with the president of France on that quote... war is always a failure...

and if iraq ever gets "back on its feet" what good does that do to the thousands that lay in mass graves and the even more disabled from this irrational war

 

HEy man..sorry for going off topic..how did you load that avatar? I can't find a way to load a url or off my machine?

 

Yeh !! I'd like to know as well . Any one ?