In Memory of victims in Mariupol Today in Ukraine there is an undeclared war. In the East of еру country people are killed every day. Someone may say “this is war” and it cannot be in another way. It may be so. The man can get used to everything. The daily reports from military operations area have already become typical for Ukrainians. The same situation is with messages about the Russian presence in Donbas and about so-called “humanitarian escorts” from Russia, after which bombardments on Ukrainian military positions, towns and villages become more intensive. It is possible to get used to everything - to permanent fear, to danger, to bombardments. But it’s impossible to get used to deliberate and cold-blooded shooting of civilians! It’s impossible to apprehend the information about death of children! There is a murderer behind each death, the murderer who came with arms on Ukrainian territory. And it’s not important with what purpose he pulls the trigger or launching rockets from MLRS. No DPRs or LPRs are worth human lives. On January 7, 2015 the world was shocked with cruel killing of employees of the French editorial staff magazine Charlie Hebdo. Whole world is seemed to tell to terrorists “Je suis Charlie” and to rise to protect the freedom of speech. Today in Ukraine we see how armed Russia-supported guerrillas shoot down civilians and escape punishment! Similarly to the French protest action “Je suis Charlie” Ukrainian people initiated their own action named “I am Volnovakha” that then became “I am Donetsk” and “I am Mariupol”. Now, this action may be named “I am Ukraine”. Ukrainians want the whole civilized world to hear and see that Ukraine deals not with civil militia, but with terrorists supported, supplied and financed by Russia. Here are their crimes: On January 13, 2015 it was Volnovakha As a result of check-point bombardment near the town of Volnovakha 13 people were killed, 16 were wounded, 3 died in hospital. Among victims there were basically women, the fourteen-year girl and one man. OSCE drone made this picture from the tragedy site near Volnovakha. It helped to determine the direction of bombardment and became evidence of guerrillas’ guilt. January 22, 2015, 9 a.m., the city of Donetsk The trolleybus stop in Lenin district of Donetsk was shelled. Splinters struck boiler-house roof, private houses, damaged the car and punched the trolleybus. Victims’ bodies are in salon and on the ground of the stop. The tragedy in Donetsk occurred in the morning, in the densely populated area. People were waiting for transport to get to work. Nearby the tram stood. It is also punched by splinters, its woman-driver wounded. Nearby the burnt car, its driver killed. Victims of attack were found even on other side of the road. The result of this terror attack - 15 civilian people killed. In OSCE Special Monitoring Mission spot report it is said that “on arrival at the scene 20 minutes later, the SMM observed a trolleybus which had been hit by shrapnel and a burnt-out car 20m away, also hit by shrapnel. All windows in the trolleybus were shattered and tyres punctured. The SMM observed seven dead bodies, three females, three males and one of indeterminate gender. Three of the bodies were in the bus, three in close proximity to the bus – the furthest approximately 25m away – and one in the burnt-out car”. “The SMM observed two craters. One of them, 8m north-east of the bus, had a depth of 5cm and a diameter of 1.5m. The other, 150m south-east of the bus, had a depth of 15cm and a diameter of 1.8m. At 11:00hrs the SMM conducted a crater analysis on both craters, and determined that the rounds that caused the two craters had been fired from a north-western direction. The SMM also determined that the weapon(s) used was most likely either a mortar or an artillery piece”. To that moment there were no destructions in the district. Also, it’s known that Ukrainian Armed Forces positions are at 15 km distance from the shelling site. January 24, 2015, 9.15 a.m., the city of Mariupol Guerrillas shelled East district of the city of Mariupol with MLRS. The area of Olimpiiska Street was attacked (8.5 km from city centre and about 400 meters from Ukrainian check point). The number of victims reached 30 people, 2 of which are children, 102 people were wounded. The cars, about 50 houses, city market, shops, supermarkets, 4 schools and 2 kindergartens were blasted. OSCE Special Monitoring Mission experts counted 19 rocket attacks, but they assumed there could be more. They examined a shell-hole and concluded that the attacks were made by MLRS Grad and Uragan. Grad missiles were launched from North-East, near Oktyabr’ town, 19 kilometers from Olimpiiska Street and Uragan missiles – from East, near Zaichenko town, 15 kilometers from Olimpiiska Street. Both those towns are under control of separatists. Security Service of Ukraine intercepted conversation of DPR terrorist leaders who planned Mariupol shelling: http://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2015/01/24/7056227/ Mariupol was always the Ukrainian city. Its people were always committed to united Ukraine. In summer 2014, when Russian forces approached city limits Mariupol inhabitants took to the streets to demonstrate against “Russian protection”. To resist Russian intrusion they began to build defenses and declared that they would protect their city and their country. Patriotic spirit of these people prevented the advance of Russian aggression. And today pro-Kremlin terrorist in the paroxysm of impotent rage shelled peaceful quarters of Mariupol with Grad and Uragan missiles. It is impossible to understand the things that happened in Ukrainian cities of Volnovakha, Donetsk and Mariupol in recent days! Terrorism in Ukraine has gone far beyond Lugansk and Donetsk regions. During last several months terrorist groups, trained by Russian special services, organized attacks in Odessa, Kharkov, Kherson. One attempt was prevented in Kiev. Ukrainians are being bullied and habituated to live in dread. Today, Ukraine became the European outpost to take the main terroristic strike. People of civilized countries should demand their governments to support Ukraine fighting with Russia face to face! It is urgent to recognize DPR and LPR as terroristic organizations, and Russia – as a terrorism supporting state. Only in recent days Ukrainian border was crossed by five battalion tactic groups from Russia. It is necessary to implement more severe sanctions against Russia. Together we can stop the aggressor! International society must do its best to stop the undeclared war against Ukraine. If we are unable to stop the war on Ukrainian territory soon actions like “I am Volnovakha” will turn into “I am Ukraine” and then “I am Europe”! As known, TERRORISM has no nationality, no borders. Everybody must remember that! Including those, who already forgot about Malaysian Boeing 777 shot down not far from Donetsk. Altogether we must say to Russia: TERRORISM SHALL NOT PASS!
Well actually, I am the Ukraine. (The sentence doesn't make any sense tho). The Ukraine is simply a region formerly of the USSR. Rather, I am Russian.. by descent. More to the point, I am civilised. Not a barbarian, a Fascist, a monster. From Kiev. The city now the victim of a murderous US installed junta of Nazis, bigots and other psychopaths. Unfortunately, my family had to leave Kiev because of pogroms, Fascist monsters from the West of the country. In WW2, or the Great Patriotic War, 27MILLION Russians were murdered by Nazis, many of them from the West of the Ukraine. And today, the descendants of these Nazis once again support Nazism. Groups such as Svoboda, Right Sektor hold key government positions. Killing andintimidating innocent people. The so called President is nothing but a front man, installed by America. Half of the former Ukraine refused to even vote in the sham elections of 2014 Thousands of innocent men, women and kids have been killed in the Donbass. Their "crime"? They want to speak Russian, the language of that region for the last 1100 years. They want to be free to trade with their fellow Russians, not cast into a Greece style EU catastrophe. The Party of the Regions has its offices burnt down by thugs. Its politicians afraid to even enter the junta's bogus parliament building. Over a 100 people burnt alive in Odessa by a Fascist mob of Ukrainian nationalists, before Donbass voted to be free from tyranny. The Kiev junta got power by thuggery and violence. It overthrew the elected, lawful government. And then Novorossiyans over 90% of them said "we will not be intimidated by these thugs, we will speak our langauge". Did the junta negotiate? Nope, it sent tanks and bombers. Slaughtering thounsand of people who merely voted to federalise. Even today, the Fascists of Azov, Right Sektor and the like shell the cities that voted to federalise or leave the former Ukraine. Mariupol voted to leave the Ukraine. Mariupol wants to leave the Ukraine. The Ukraine Fascists solution? Fire shells at men, women and children on buses and trams. And then place a wicked propaganda campaign on the internet pretending that the Donbass people killed their own! MOST Ukrainians are sick of the violence. They refuse to be called up for the junta, not just in the Donbass, but in the West and Central former Ukraine. The story today from Obama is just like the murder America caused in Iraq and places. The lie of "Saddam's WMDs" is now the even more heinous lie "wicked Russia caused this". But the truth is clear, Fascists backed by an America that has lost its way, hell bent on causing trouble and instability. And then ramp up the profits from military budgets. Where are the phone pictures of Russia "invading". All I see is a lot of US Blackwater troops and Nazis. Not in THEIR land but murdering and raping in the Donbass. Russia could raise the Fascists homeland to rubble in 24 hrs. Has it? Ofcourse not. Because the "Russia invaded" lie is just one of many. All part of the agenda. The solution was clear. Federalised Ukraine. Each group free to live in a civilised manner. But that wasn't enough for Lvov, the Fascists, the internet based lie peddlars, the Nazis and their Nato provocateurs and backers. http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com.br/ http://cassad-eng.livejournal.com/ http://www.channel4.com/news/ukraine-mccain-far-right-svoboda-anti-semitic- protests Anyone who defends the murder of innocents by the Kiev junta is not "Ukraine". The Ukraine is finished. Killed by the meddling of monsters like McCain and Nuland. Killed by Nazi thugs. Killed by paid shills, peddling ugly lies over the internet. What form the region will take in the future? Who knows. But atleast half of it wants to be with Russia. And sooner of later the other half will realise that McCain and Nuland weren't some saints bearing gifts. Infact that time is already here. "I am Ukraine" you say? I can assure everyone here, you most certainly are NOT. Tell me, are these innocent people murdered in the Donbass "Ukraine"? https://www.************/stopukrainianarmy/photos_stream?ref=page_internal I'd prfer to call them "decent". They wanted nothing to do with a country that didn't exist before the 1920s. The Ukraine as you call it was part of Russia for most of the past 1100 yrs. KIEV was its capital for most of that time. Are these people "Ukraine"? The ones your colleagues murdered because they disgreed with you https://www.************/stopukrainianarmy/photos_stream?ref=page_internal "I am Ukraine" you say. No you are not. And sending your Fascist hordes to kill people who disagree with you simple illustrates that. You are not the Ukraine. YOu never were The Ukraine. You were part of a country, of dubious history that you have destroyed with your hate, misinformation and constant justification of violence. The people of the Donbass aren't "Ukraine" either. They are simply people who want to live their way according to international laws, standards of fair play and human rights, and according to the history of the region of the FSA, especially their own homelands. They are NOT "Ukraine". No matter how many shells you fire at them. The Donbass? They are just civilised people. They just want to live in peace, with their kith and kin from across the East Slavic World. They are civilised. Those who defend tyranny and fascism are not. https://www.************/stopukrainianarmy/photos_stream?ref=page_internal No further correspondence will be entered into.
tomson456 said:- Mariupol was always the Ukrainian city. Its people were always committed to united Ukraine. In summer 2014, when Russian forces approached city limits Mariupol inhabitants took to the streets to demonstrate against “Russian protection”. Or rather than Ukrainian Fascists you bussed in from Lvov. For the record, Mariupol was NEVER a Ukrainian city. It is 90% Russian speakers by birth. And it chose overwhelmingly to leave the junta run Ukraine to be part of the Donetsk Republic. (Despite your armed tyrants terrorising the residents) But hey, what do the facts have to do with any of this, when you think you can just bomb them into submission. http://mashable.com/2014/05/11/eastern-ukraine-sovereignty-referendum/ http://en.voicesevas.ru/news/yugo-vostok/2649-referendum-day-morning-live.html These are pics of the referendum, including Mariupol. The Fascists lost. The Novorossiyans voted 90%+ to leave the Fascist run regime. The junta couldn't face democracy. So it started bombing and killing the Novorossiyans. To say "Russia is guilty" is like Hitler saying "the Jews gassed themselves" (which is actually what quite a few Ukrainian fascists would actually say!)
the posting is copy pasted from another site , in fact its on 20sites, Im not going beyond page 3 to find more.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9P7R-l9bUY Not sure whats going on here but the title says "Russian commit war crimes on captured Ukrainians". But around 16:00 the bubuska women are yelling at the captives that are not locals "Why are you shelling our village are you insane".. The soldiers interrogating are said to be Chechnyan and Georgian.. The location the outskirts of the city Mariupol.. ^ maybe you can make more sense of it Thor.. thanks.
For anyone who doesn't know, the Kiev junta, as a last gasp is now commencing a (pretty poor quality!) propanda battle. So many military people have defected to the Donbass side, the junta's army is again in its last throes again. Ofcourse it will ask for a ceasefire. Then it will rearm and begin slaughtering innocent Novorossiyans again. Its been shelling Novorossiya for many months. For them to blame the Mariupol murders on the Donbass's own people is simply outrageous. The IMF has refused the former Ukraine any more money, because the Donbass has broken away. And because the last money was spent on murdering men, women and children who wanted to speak Russian and free themselves of the Fascist junta. The US media is full of anti Russia drivel? Why because Russia refused to be a lackey state in the way Europe has effectively become. Russia is simply shifting its trade focus over to Asia, and setting up an alternative to Dollar based trading. America doesn't like that. But America doesn't like any country who isn't its slave. (I don't mean American people in general, I mean its corrupt elite). The Nazis are preparing another coup and numerous politicians have run abroad. And I mean Central Ukrainian ones. The Eastern Ukr politicians are now largely terrorised out of appearing. So the Ukraine is now well and truly a 3rd world banana republic. Arguing black is white. Claiming Novorossiyan murders its own is now its tactic. Sooner or later, they'll be begging Russia and China for money. Until then, the web and the Neo Con press will have more and more outrageous propaganda articles masquerading as news. Sorry, but I can't reply to any individual questions people. Please look at the links. Or delve a little further in some of the Western press.
It may not be very clear at first but when we look at both sides and all the sources it is very clear the rebels in east Ukraine are the agressors. Yes it is true that other (U.S., West european) countries are supporting and meddling in this conflict too, for their own motives, but if Crimea would not be absorbed last year and Russia would not be supporting the (pro russian) rebels in mainly east Ukraine there would have been much less murdering obviously. Where to sides are killing, 2 sides are guilty/responsible. To say the Ukraine government is the only aggressor in this conflict or the main responsible for the war and their casualties is hard to take seriously. Just as calling them nazis. Seems Iamnotaman has joined the propaganda battle himself edit: spelling
Classy people this propaganda team of the junta.NOT I wonder if he'll pop back and explain any of this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20woRCrIREQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWgL1iwyewM Most likely he'll be off looking for donations for more shells to fire at schools and hospitals in Donbass. And then says its Donbass own people, not his Nazis from Lvov.
I would emphasize on formerly. Ukraine used to be a region of an earlier incarnation of Russia. It is seperate of the Russia that exists now and russians should be able to accept that. They don't have to like it
do you no why this goes un reported? because these attacks are not done by Islamic extremist. if they where they would be all over the news and the papers everyday. i hope peace comes soon. i really dont know what else to say. other that my heart and prays are going out to the people of Ukraine.
I think it is a bit nonsensical to say I am Ukraine too. Just like it seems hypocritical to me for a person to say or walk with a sign that says I am charlie, when they would never write or draw the same stuff they do (especially when they don't do it because it seems risky).
Everyone should have the right to self-determination. That is, to belong to whatever group they choose. Borders are what keep us apart. Remove all borders!
