I am an agnostic theist. I just wanted to talk about it!

Hi

Basically erm.. I was raised Roman Catholic, was atheist for 10 years, then agnostic or agnostic atheist for like 6 months and am now agnostic theist!

The reason is... because I feel that existence and consciousness are just SO amazing and grand and.. I can't understand how it could happen without some kind of god-like entity overseeing it. Like my own consciousness. How did it get here? Suddenly in 1985 I start existing? Why that year? O.O

All so weird haha

So erm, yeah I just wanted to share that!

So... I think there probably is a god of some kind, but I don't know for sure.

Also, I think it's very hard to know for sure.

But, I am open-minded and curious

Hoppi

 

It sounds to me as though you are spending alot of your time with religion trying to figure out what sounds good to you. This is always a good start, it's almost where I began my journey.

 

Happily having faith doesn't require knowing things for sure

 

Not what sounds good... what sounds logical

What seems to fit together and make sense.

I mean, isn't that how we all work things out?

 

Alright Spock
Your logic is correct.
Live long and prosper.

 

I have my own theory on the whole god thing. I'm more agnostic than anything else. I went through my atheist years. I believe there is probably something bigger than me but I certainly don't buy into all the "jesus died for my sins" bullshit. It's hard to explain because my theory is all made up in my own head. It has NOTHING to do with any kind of science or religion. It's what I believe and its what helps me get through each day. It's kind of weird to actually explain and I'm sure it sounds crazy to other people so I won't bore you with it but good for you for questioning things and coming up with what makes sense for you and your life.

 

...and that's all I have to say about that.

 

^^^ :rofl:

+rep

 

haha yeah I +1'd that post too!

 

i can think of at least one way, and that would be if each and every last one of us, our awareness, were just as eternal, and we just somehow forgot or became unable to be aware of it. not our physical bodies of course, nor the memories they carry of the lives we experience, but simply raw, non-physical, awareness itself.

i would also suggest, looking at both the diversity of existence, and the very real imperfections of every instance of it, that if intelligent purpose were involved at all, it would have to have been that of a very large and disorganized committee, not a single super intelligent individual, even programing the process to automate it.

neither of which prevents, in any way, the possible, even probable existence of completely non-physical beings.

though pure good and pure evil also seem unlikely in the extreme.

 

Is this purpose what you want, or what it wants?

 

maybe both, maybe neither, and certainly no way of knowing.

i do feel that something beyond myself had something to do with it.

i'm pretty sure i didn't call myself into existence all on my own. and by existence i mean my spirit existence that predates my birth into this world by multiple lifetimes.

but it IS just as likely for each of us, every last sapient awareness, to have been eternal, as for all of existence to have been created by any SINGLE one.

on the other paw, i do seem to recall have come into existence on a flat empty plain, that stretched forever in all directions, and i was floating above it, and i was given the form of kind of a squared off slab of rock with rounded corners and then trees started to appear. first is just single poles, to make the empty plain have something there. and then they grew in complexity into trees and a forest. and then there was another slab person, and she was abducted into a rectangular structure made up of rectangles like bricks and i was told, though it never occured to me to ask by what, how, or why, that no one who entered ever came back out, but i was convinced i would be the exception and i would rescue and free those who had gone it, which it never occured to me to ask who or what or how many they had been. and when i was inside i could no longer move, and i was placed in box with all kinds of technology and technicians working it, who they were, where they came from, how such a thing was possible, i do not know, but the teleportation booth put me inside of a mother who gave birth to me, into the childhood of my first physical life. how many lives ago i do not know, because memory, what we think of as memory, doesn't follow us from one life to another. only the preferences with which we define ourselves do.

and maybe that was just an odd dream that had nothing to do with it, and maybe it was something else not i nor anyone knows.

 

I won't get into the merit, I just want to know what is the difference between you and a theist? What does the agnostic part of the label do?