I am a total genius who has achieved enlightenment

i like pie.

 

Yes, i guess i have alot to learn about enlightenment, to be fair i know little of it, but i also think that it is a very relative understanding wich can be defined in different ways.

If it is only truth you speak, why do you hide this truth, wether or not enlightment is paired with arrogance?
But since the question is to far below your all-knowing mind of absolute truth, i can only assume that it is indeed paired with arrogance.

 

this thread turned to crap a while ago, well, the moment it was posted actually.

oh well, don't kick a dead dog and all that...
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i think some people need to back away from their mental altars and go to a comedy club.

 

Yes, you are right.

No, you are wrong.

I'm not hiding it. Everything I say is the truth. If I said what you just told me I should say then it wouldn't really be me speaking, it would be me saying what you told me to say, and therefore I would not be speaking the truth. Get it?

Is it arrogant for the lion to say 'I am a lion'? Is it ignorant for Arnold Schwarzenegger to say 'I am physically strong'? Is it wrong for Einstein to say 'I am a genius'? Seriously!

 

Ok heywood. You achieved total enlightment, and you are much better then us pathetic creatures (so forgive our rudeness oh noble one). Tell us how your spiritual journey was and how you achieved your enlightment? and how it feels to experience it?
Or do we have to live in the in the darkness of our own impurities, because we are not worthy of being cleansed?

 

i think he just got older, less naive.

 

You are forgiven. Being enlightened means I'm good like that.

The journey was long and involved many steps and changes and transitions, all of them completely indescribable. But I will say that it is bliss, harmony, and freedom from ego... as if I have been blind my whole life, and now I can see... or like waking up from a dream.

It's not that you HAVE TO live in the darkness, it's just that you DO live in the darkness... and I don't. And everyone is worthy of the light... it's just that I'm more worthy than almost everyone else. I didn't have to be cleansed, I was born with a lot of intelligence, compassion and wisdom. So it's natural for me.

 

nuh uh.

 

Hi heywood floyd,
I have heard that we need to be able to recognize 'what is' before we can say anything truthful. It sounds like you can't see the reality... But I'm very curious about your enlightenment! If you let me know some examples of what you realized, then I'll be able to recognize what you are teaching, is that fair? If so I'm very interested in what you found out through the process of your spiritual enlightenment. If it's okay, may I ask who your favorite teachers are and what you have realized through their teaching?
Thanks,
Paul

 

Everybody is enlightened. You are enlightened. It's just about realising your own potential. It's not something to strive towards, not some goal in the distant future, it's there here and now that matter, because that is all there is. You are in it, you create it , we all do.

I think perhaps Heywood is joking, his other posts are different.

 

Heheh thanks for your kind words, my friend..
You know, I heard that heywood recognized something truly profound, but my problem is that i'm not sure how to really understand his words without some examples to demonstrate about his claim. I couldn't find the evidences in myself either.. Then one day I was looking for enlightenment and I found Tathagata, the man who teaches about karma. His teachings really made a lot of sense to me, so I wanted to share them with others in order to find out any viewpoints on the matter.. I'm interested in hearing any thoughts! Could this man really have attained Enlightenment?
Thanks..
Paul

 

My personal sense is that Tathagata is not enlightened. The only thing his third eye protrusion proves is that consciousness can manifest physically. His teachings are littered with fallacies concerning the nature of enlightenment (e.g. claiming to be the only enlightened being in 3000 yrs., dismissing the inherent wisdom of Buddhism, and many others) and contain many indicators that he is in a deluded and ego-bound state (preoccupation with his own personal suffering and the "trials" he had to endure in order to attain enlightenment, confessions of his frustration (an emotion dependent on ego identification) with trying to convey the "truth", the assertion that life becomes harder following the attainment of enlightenment (the purpose of enlightenment is to end suffering. Period.) etc.).

More importantly, however, the egoic, conceptual mind is incapable of validating enlightenment. The impulse to do this arises from fear of the vulnerability and risk inherent in the authentic pursuit of enlightenment. Adopting this mentality will also make one more susceptible to the corrupted teachings of charlatans like Tathagata.

The spiritual path requires all of one's courage and devotion in order to successfully navigate. The pursuit of the "evidence" that one can attain with one's conceptual mind and physical senses pertaining to enlightenment is the refuge of an ego that seeks to use spiritual knowledge in order to reinforce its own existence, and will never allow one to perceive the true nature of reality.

Travis

 

It's something that really is not mutually exclusive to a select few spiritual people who train and train for years and years. It's so incredibly simply, it really is. It's the most obvious thing in the world, it's also the most subtle. People go on these spiritual paths, these long hard journeys, only to find that the journey is a waste, as I have discovered. Striving for a goal in the future, to claim a missing piece of myself- that all along was the mistake I made. The journey is already complete, for all of us. We are all enlightened beings, we all create reality and everything within it through consciousness. Yet it's so subtle. Through our lives we strive and ask ' why am I alive?' ' what is the meaning of life?' thus we are never actually living life, we miss the point entirely by trying to grasp it and understand it. The conceptual egoic mind creates the noise and drowns out that calling inside all of us, the voice that shouts 'wake up, everything's right infront of you!'

Grasping to say what enlightenment is and what it isn't is enforcing the noise, the dream state. We can recognise when our thoughts begin to create noise, and so cut them off when they do, this way we can maintain a state of being truly awake for long periods of time.

I speak from experience, by the way

 

I was just gonna laff this off, but then I felt Enlightened to say.

Thoes who speak, do not know, thoes who know, do not speak.. If one was turely enlighted, would they teach and not hinder, would they keep this enlightenment hidded from the world or would they set a path for other to follow, beside sitting in gasoline or beating ourselves in the head with a frying pan.. seem to me like that would certinaly cause BRAIN DAMAGE, which you seem to be suffering from.

Your Claims of Enlightenment is your own delusion/biz. if they were otherwise, I'm sure that one who was as enlightened as you claim to be would be out sloving great mysteries of our time or curing desease in children.. Please do not insult our intellegence with your unfounded claim of Total Enlightenment.. I have met enlightened ones B4 and you do not come close by any margin of the scale.

Sorry to burst your bubblegum

 

My post and your post are not in conflict. The great paradox of enlightenment is that it is omnipresent and yet there are simultaneously multitudes of people who are bound by the "dream state", as you call it -- they are unaware of their true nature. The process that culminates in the realization of enlightenment is simultaneously a prerequisite and an illusion.

If someone is subscribing to a belief that an individual like Tathagata is the "supremely enlightened being that appears once every 3000 years", as he claims, then they are reinforcing the dream state. I am simply offering the possibility of discernment -- of using one's perceptual faculties for the purposes of determining that which is of greatest service for the upliftment of one's consciousness.

You had a very unusual awakening experience. Enlightenment will not occur for most as it did for you. Making discernments is only "enforcing the mental noise" if one forms an attachment to those discernments, thus reinforcing their own sense of separative identity. It took Eckhart Tolle many years following his initial awakening experience to fully understand the nature of the experience and develop the capacity to transmit the message of enlightenment in a fashion that was of greatest service to ego-bound individuals. I suspect you may have a similar period of learning ahead of you.

Travis

 

what happened to kaminoi?

 

hey after reading that...ive been thinking(oh!) do enlightened people ever feel the need to appologize for anything?

 

http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showpost.php?p=4302043&postcount=34

 

Yes , you are certainly right I'm learning to recognise my own thoughts. It is definitely an unusual way, but this may have been possible because I discerned the only truth as the truth that I was alive, and that we were all the same, so the only thing left for me was to stop imagining these concepts in my mind and actually experience it, devoid of the thought noise. As for the message, it's not something that i'm thinking about just yet, but I feel that maybe through Art is the answer, as it is not the product of empty words like these.

These are just words, take nothing from them because you will get nothing from them.