"human rights violations" would be the last reason the US would intervene in Syria

Discussion in 'Politics' started by ThisIsWhyYoureWrong, May 3, 2013.

  1. scratcho

    scratcho Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

    The truth hurts. And we're complicit. Thanks for the reminder.
     
  2. outthere2

    outthere2 Senior Member

    How do John McCain's public policies and private "donations" align?

    Let's see:

    http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cid=N00006424


    Merrill Lynch
    $375,895

    JPMorgan Chase & Co
    $343,505

    Citigroup Inc
    $338,202

    Morgan Stanley
    $271,902

    Goldman Sachs
    $240,295

    US Government
    $202,929

    AT&T Inc
    $201,938

    Wachovia Corp
    $199,663

    UBS AG
    $187,493

    Credit Suisse Group
    $184,153

    PricewaterhouseCoopers
    $169,400

    US Army
    $169,020

    Bank of America
    $167,826

    Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher
    $160,346

    Blank Rome LLP
    $155,226

    Greenberg Traurig LLP
    $147,437

    US Dept of Defense
    $146,356

    FedEx Corp
    $131,974

    Lehman Brothers
    $126,557

    Ernst & Young
    $114,506
    _______________________________________________

    Big money finance at the top, then US Government
    $202,929, I wonder what that is?

    Next:

    phone company, credit cards, then:

    US Army
    $169,020

    What Is that about? The US Army in the "top contributers" list for John McCain?

    What next?

    more banks, LLP's -limited liabilitity partnerships (at whose expense are their liabilities limited)?

    Then we have: US Dept of Defense
    $146,356

    wtf is going on?

    next: fed ex and more lawyers


    Now who does John McCain Represent?
     
  3. outthere2

    outthere2 Senior Member

    Do you believe him?
     
  4. I think it's likely that Syria has used chemical weapons; other countries in the region including Turkey and Israel agree that they have. I don't believe him that us not intervening is one of America's "most shameful chapters" though. I think our most shameful chapters have been the times we DID intervene. i.e. Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc, etc
     
  5. skitzo child

    skitzo child PEACEFUL LIBRA

    Let the UN deak with it
     
  6. outthere2, if you have netflix you should check out the series "HOUSE OF CARDS." It's exactly how I, and probably you too, imagine Washington to be. Politicians struggling for power, while trying their best to appease whoever has bought and paid for them.
     
  7. deleted

    deleted Visitor

    : What happens often in warfare, when common chemicals are stricken with artillery: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highly_toxic_gases a list of toxic gases used in Industry.. it resembles chemical weapons.

    and they can also use industrial chemicals to stage a chemical attack, to gain sympathy..
     
  8. yeah, I was reading an article that was talking about how a lot of the pictures/evidence could have possibly been staged by Israel, or other war seeking interests. I'm certainly not ruling something like that out, but regardless of whether Syria has used chemical weapons or not, I still wouldn't want the US to intervene.
     
  9. outthere2

    outthere2 Senior Member

    Thanks, I don't but I'll try to find it.
     
  10. outthere2

    outthere2 Senior Member

    Yeah, I guess there's no connection between his private campaign "contributions" and his public life...

    [​IMG]

    ...yet another chapter in the war on terror...
     
  11. outthere2

    outthere2 Senior Member

    The Ancap (aka Libertarian) solution of reducing or removing Government solves only one-half (1/2) of the problem. Ancaps are blind to corporate corruption. They hardly even acknowledge its existence. The fact is that Corporations can be just as exploitive and oppressive as government.

    What's your view ThisIsWhyYoureWrong, can corporations be just as exploitive and oppressive as government (assuming no or minimal government exists)?
     
  12. odonII

    odonII O

    Take a look at the original BBC miniseries...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4N0yfWvrD0"]House of Cards: S1E1 (BBC miniseries) - YouTube

    (all four episodes are on youtube)

    It might be a little too British, but politics is politics, I guess.
     
  13. My view is that corporations become exploitive by weilding the coercive arm of the government. Remove special privileges granted by government and a company will grow or fail according to the amount of value they provide to consumers. Open competition and consumers voting with their dollars is the best regulator for business. My view in a nut shell.
     
  14. outthere2

    outthere2 Senior Member

    Your view targets the institution of Government as the only source of corruption. I think you're smart enough to understand that corruption is at a more fundamental level- the human level.

    Since global consumers generally do not consider the conditions under which global consumer goods are made (nor do they generally have access to that information) "consumers voting with their dollars and open competition" seems a rather impotent regulator of corporate exploitation of its workers (which is a human right issue).

    So again:

     
  15. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

    human rights violations, (which obviously includes genocide and "ethnic cleansing") and environment rights violations, are the ONLY reason ANYONE "should" intervene, ANYWHERE! EVER!
     
  16. McFuddy

    McFuddy Visitor

    Wasn't aware there was such a thing...

    well maybe a pickled egg in a bag of crisps is borderline.
     

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