Hugh Hefner Dead At 91

It is indeed. You know what's even more messed up? Someone will google that shit after they read your post, LOL!

 

I understand all of that. Marilyn was his first cover girl....She basically helped launch him......but was he in love with her? How many nexts , flavor of the months....did he have? Why can't he leave her alone in death...Was he afraid his name in death would not have as much weight as Marilyn's?........so that is why it was a cheap move., imo.

 

Hef was a schmuck. Am I the only one who isn't moved by his recent passing?

 

No.

 

There are lots of sites reporting that Heftner was actuallly murdered, and did not die of natural causes.
Some state he was murdered because he was about to expose a Hollywood pedophile ring and others state that he was days away from being arrested on child sex charges.
Either way, being a conspiracy theorist, I believe one of those is probably true!

 

Without a doubt. He never got over her. He basically judged all women by how much they looked like her. He had it bad.

He bought that cemetery plot shortly after she died.

 

Gotta love a Conspiracy theorist

 

That would be nice if it was true, and since I don't know.......I hope it is true....love not glory.

 

I usually don't see the point in declaring this in a RIP thread but.. No.
He's also not a feminist hero in my book

 

We cannot read anyone's mind, but I know for sure that he said many, many positive and kind things about Marilyn in the years between her death and his own. He was very happy to have helped her career.

Several years ago, Hef was interviewed extensively for a documentary on her life. I remember seeing it on TV. He said her ultimate downfall may have been trusting too many men who didn't care about her best interests. Since her death, many Playboy girls have come forward and said that they got some good fatherly advice from Hef on that subject. He seemed to be worried that the same thing might happen to them, because girls who look a certain way often attract the worst men, and he didn't want that to happen to anyone he knew personally, ever again.

I'm aware that he made good money off the magazine, but so did the girls.

American feminist leaders always hated him. Sometimes, they side with social activists on the far right. They protested in front of Playboy's Chicago operations until they had to be shut down. They basically ran Hef out of town. He got a much warmer reception in southern California, where social liberalism and social libertarianism were and still are much more popular.

Back around 1955, your country was light years ahead of the US in terms of tolerance of sexuality (including nudity and sexual preference) that was not dictated by the church or the government. Mainstream America media was not talking about this in a useful way. It was up to magazines and books to spread the word that personal freedom was better.

So many young people today seem to be so sure that Hefner did not play an important role in our sexual revolution, but they have no other names to mention. Who else did more? I'm still waiting for a name.

Playboy had only two significant competitors. Bob Guccione's Penthouse was more explicit, but also more international in its approach, and did not dig so deeply into American social politics. I never heard anybody discussing serious Penthouse articles. Hustler has always been a big step down in quality, in every way. Larry Flynt tried to be a free speech advocate, but came across as an intellectual lightweight with crude taste. So, Playboy continued to dominate.

Over the years, quite a few female celebrities have posed for Playboy long after they were successful enough to no longer need the money or the publicity, just because they wanted to. Some said it had been a fantasy of theirs for years.

Thanks to the internet, it no longer seems possible that radical feminists will be able to put a stop to adult women posting nude pics or sex videos, when they choose to do so. They no longer need help from a magazine.

 

Little did he know the bunnies were vampires.

 

Well, I'm not denying he played an important role in the sexual revolution by having and stating the conviction he's not a feminist hero.

 

Thank you for saying that.

 

It just doesn't make him a feminist hero

 

I would say that Sigmund Freud did more for women than Heff ever did with his writings about Lobito and sexual drive of men and women. This became accepted with him and opened the minds of those who were previously unwilling to acknowledge it. He also saw benefits to bondage in order to create trust. He further believed in the decriminalization of homosexuality and while it is not the views of today it was definitely a major stepping stone.

the views on sexuality and showing changed greatly during the end of the Victorian era and as the 20s approached. Suffragettes did a lot for it and birth control was something these women strongly believed in and showing themselves as vibrant and desirable as well as openly showing affection in public. This was a fight that took decades. Speakeasies had petting parties. It was a huge step, women started entering what was previously men only places and were given the right to vote at this time, go to and graduate from universities. Coco Chanel made pants for women and clothes that were easy to take off fashionable., got rid of the corsette! Linden b Johnson legalized birth control.

I know of aunts, great aunts, grandparents p, great grandparents all had sex before marriage and never hid their affairs outside of or prior to marriage either or when they dated, got pregnant by another married man while married. My grandmother had many abortions as a means of birth control. She talked openly about it because birth control was not available.

Hefner objectified women and presented only the Barbie like figures in his magazines. Not that I see anything wrong with presenting women as a sexual object, good for men to jerk off too and gave these women a certain lifestyle they may not have been able to afford otherwise. Most in playboy wanted to be famous, make a fortune at all cost so that they didn't have to rely on a man or to meet a rich man. They were simply decorations for someone's arm. If bunnies did not meet his measurements as a bunny they were told they were fat and fired.

That is what they signed up for. Not to be independent strong women, but there was power in the position they chose too. Nothing wrong with that!

Hefner definitely exploited women, but the women he exploited got something out of it too, money mostly and surrounding themselves with men who had power.

 

I already said they hated him. American feminist leaders have zero tolerance for porn of any variety.

And where were American men reading what Freud wrote? Playboy. Same place that they were reading the Hite Report, and about the research of Masters and Johnson.

Writing something great is nearly worthless if very few readers ever have access to it. In 1962, you didn't walk into a small town bookstore America and see a book by Sigmund Freud, unless it was a college town.

Always, everybody wants to go back to the pictures. Nothing but the pictures.

The pics were fun for a few days, but then it was three more weeks before the next issue. Plenty of time to read the articles.

Hef paid for his daughter to have a first class education, then let her take over for him as CEO when he got too old. She stayed long enough to prove that she could handle the job without any help from him. At one time, she was the number one ranked female CEO in America. Have you ever heard her interviewed? She's extremely sharp. That woman has her shit together. Tough debater. Better speaker than her dad. I've seen her on TV talk shows, debating various points on politics and business. She effectively shredded her opposition.

All kinds of women have posed in Playboy over the years, including Olympic athletes. Strong, independent women? I'd say. And most of them could kick your ass.

 

^ and that is why sales went dow drastically, nudity in it became virtually obsolete as they brought in celebrities and athletes wearing clothes to pose, as they, Christie and her husband sold a lot of stocks to keep it afloat.

As for Freud, he had a huge influence on western society.

http://www.nytimes.com/1989/11/26/weekinreview/ideas-and-trends-how-freud-shaped-the-20th-century-mind.html?pagewanted=all

Suffragettes
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/the-role-of-british-women-in-the-twentieth-century/suffragettes/

 

That's not what I was talking about. I have no idea what they were doing during that era.

 

There are two Hefner dead threads, put this in the wrong one. quote name="NotDead" post="8105699" timestamp="1507955191"]That's not what I was talking about. I have no idea what they were doing during that era.[/quote]

Not to mention nude depictions of women were happening back in Ancient Rome and ancient Egypt too for the gratification of men. It did not liberate them either. Kama sutra in India as well.

Depiction of women naked was nothing new with him and he did nothing to liberate women. Nude beaches and the freedom to be so in select places or topless has always been around. I am in no way a feminist today as I see myself as equal and not beneith a man as today's feminist like to promote us as being, He had nothing to do with the right to breast feed in public or changing the minds of men & women that women were and are independent and strong.

Are you saying that playboy wrote a lot about women's rights and equality?

 

Used to be illegal in the US. Illegal porn was around in my father's era, but hard to find.

Back to athletes for a moment...

I suppose the most famous athlete to ever pose nude for Playboy was German figure skating gold medalist Katarina Witt. I remember her pics and her interview very well. She said she and her friends and siblings grew up going to topless and nude beaches in Europe every summer, so she never did understand why nudity was such a big taboo in the United States. She proudly showed the world her muscular body, firm tits, and dark, furry bush.

A few others who were not shy: http://www.zimbio.com/Katarina+Witt/articles/3K9PQoiROZ3/Katarina+Witt+Playboy+Images+Still+Hot+After

Prudish state laws against nudity, sex outside of marriage, oral sex, anal sex, and homosexuality applied equally to men and women. Playboy was strongly opposed to all sexual regulations involving consenting adults, as a matter of moral principle.