Huge Explosion in Oslo + Massacre, 92 Dead! Killer Conservative, Right-Wing Christian

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  1. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

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    Would you classify Michelle Bachman as an extremist Christian or not? How about other American Christian leaders like Jerry Falwell or Pat Robertson?

    Yes, let's all keep quiet about this and it will just go away. NOT!

    The whole problem of Christian Terrorism has already been swept under the rug, as America continues its war on Muslims for oil. Meanwhile Murdock and his vast propaganda network continue to spew hate and divisiveness across America, as do many Right Wing Conservative Christian leaders.

    I don't think most Americans realize how much Christian America has terrorized people from Libya to Pakistan. Until you see the results of a unexpected drone strike upon your family, you do not understand what true terror is.

    Yes, let's all continue to ignore what caused 9/11 in the first place, so we can continue to fear, continue to war, continue to make enemies around the world. It's great for business!
     
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  3. midgardsun

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    The ammonium nitrate story bothers me a bit because ammonium nitrate is only sold in non explosive mixtures and he was an organic farmer so he was not permitted to use ammonium nitrate. Then the lack of a hole, a crater at the epicenter of the explosion. In normal attacks, journalists run towards the hole in the street to film it. It must have taken a lot of ANFO to create such damage. Where is the hole in the street? AMFO is a relatively slow explosive, about half as strong as highly sophisticated explosives (5270m/s)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammonium_nitrate

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/07/23/norway-notes/
     
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  5. Jimmy P

    Jimmy P bastion of awesomeness

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    Meh, let's just call it religious terrorism. The particular persuasion is of minor importance, what is of major importance is that people are committing murder in the name of religion, and that should be highlighted more than anything else, so people can start to see the folly behind fervent religious beliefs.
     
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    The quotes mean what they say, respectively. Those that matter are able to understand the difference in meanings; those that aren’t able to understand, don’t matter.

    The rest of your post is adequately addressed below - by my signature.
     
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    I STRONGLY dislike the fact that they treated the memorial service like it was some fucking cinema filming stage. Pans and angles, specifically planned camera locations. Pisses me off, I don't quite understand why. Maybe its that their mourning is being solicited as fear mongering news, not sure though...
     
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    [ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxIix0OScLI&feature=related

    and i strongly dislike the fact that Obama thinks he comes across as genuine... interesting that he manages to get in words such as "prevention" and "intelligence"... what a bloody insult!
     
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    Bloody Christian fundamentalists.....RIGHT-WING SCUM OF THE EARTH!!!!!!!
     
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    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/17/us-drone-strikes-pakistan-waziristan

    Nuff said.
     
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    McLeodGanja, Jul 26, 2011
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    That Guardian article is shocking. But seems fairly typical of the US approach to the problem -- rather than use..intelligence for instance.
    Still, at least US and UK governments are giving Pakistan lots of aid money eh?
     
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    Yes, better to turn the tables on such people, by making their fellow fanatics look like terrorists. Until the US purges religious fanatics from government and positions of power, we will continue to go to war against other religions with the goals of religious conversion, appropriation of resources, corporate profit, political gains, hegemony, etc.

    But it is their own SPECIFIC religious beliefs and history that allow them to go to war and kill innocent people, in the name of Jesus. Don't US soldiers pray to their Christian God before going into battle? That right there says it all.

    They think their God will protect them, just like Muslims think they must protect their God from infidels. Apparently their "Gods" ignore their appeals daily. Imshallah, baby...

    BTW, if we had a Buddhist president and a Buddhist Congress, we wouldn't even be discussing wars or intolerance.
     
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    And let's not forget about the Christian "Armageddon", the final battle on Earth that they all believe in.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armageddon

    This belief causes Christians everywhere to have the same mindset - that the end game of their religion is a final battle with the forces of "evil". So they act, just like Reagan and Dubya did, to bring such a final battle about within their lifetimes so they can be "saved" by Jesus. Of course the evil is interchangeable to them. It could be communism, it could be Islam, it could be Arab governments, doesn't matter, really who it is, just so long as Christianity defeats the "evil" somewhere out there...

    So their belief in Armageddon justifies the endless arms race, the vilification of Islam and other "evil" people, the endless Wars/Crusades that America has convinced other Christian countries to join in.

    It's fine cause they're making record profits from it. That's another Christian thing - its fine to charge 30-50% interest (used to be called Usury in the bible), while muslim banks charge NO INTEREST.

    Christian belief in Armageddon and Salvation means they don't give a rat's ass what happens to this planet, so they can pollute and befoul it as much as they want since they'll be going to heaven when the shit washes up everywhere. No eco-consciousness among Christians. No social consciousness either. Just plain, I'm saved and that's all that matters...
     
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    Go wiki!

    ...and blogs!

    ...and conspiracies!

    Skip, do you see conspiracies in your dreams?

    Wow!
     
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    Is that true that Muslim banks don't charge interest?
    How do the banks survive?
    Do they charge interest to non-Muslims?
    I'd like to know more.
     
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    They do business by charging a flat fee for their services.

    I don't think they do the western banking thing of nickel and diming you for everything they can either.

    Once upon a time, usury was a crime.
     
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  33. Jimmy P

    Jimmy P bastion of awesomeness

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    He is clearly a lunatic, but that should provide no mitigation. He was very well aware of his actions, everything was quite deliberate and well-planned, not the work of your average whacko; if anything, this sort of insanity should have him locked up for longer.

    Oh, definitely. The problem with positions of power is that they are held by people who crave power. That is obviously made much worse when those people try to conscript their citizens to their beliefs, especially when those beliefs are batshit insane (Dubya springs quickly to mind)

    I don't know that being Buddhist automatically makes you completely averse to violence and intolerance, though. In the south of Thailand, for example, there has been friction between muslims and buddhists for years, with spurs of violence from both sides.

    However, your point is not lost on me. Unfortunately, it is impossible to get elected - in the US, at least - unless you profess to a christian faith. You'd have a better chance at presidency if you admitted to being gay than to being atheist (not that there's anything wrong with either, but the stigma in the US against atheists is quite shocking)
     
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    LOL! The fact that you mention this book, has lost you any credibility you might've had Walsh. You know nothing of Buddhism apparently. Buddhists will defend themselves when attacked. They are no pushovers. Also there are various forms of Buddhism, but I guess you, nor the authors of the book have any idea of the differences, despite being so-called scholars on it.
     
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    I haven't read the book, or heard of it, I just searched for a pic for make my point. All religions are by their nature violent and Buddhism isn't exempt from this. The practice of non-violence is absurd as a principle. I don't need to have extensive knowledge of buddhist history and culture to understand that.

    But if you want to argue I'm wrong, I'm fairly confident I can find more than a few examples of buddhist violence that aren't mere abberations.
     
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