How will you get yourself into heaven?

To be born again is to come into the world anew. Being born we apprehend a world new to us. The perception of the world as just, as god created it or consistent with reality is diametrically opposed in every sense and sensation to the perception it is not and so are it's motivations for action/reaction. The mind/body nexus cannot fundamentally entertain both perceptions at once. To be born anew is like dying at once and forever to our deadly view in a perceptual sense and as we perceive/conceive our opportunities they appear to us.

 

I let the dead bury the dead.

Most Eastern religions do not follow genocidal maniac and son murderers. Only the Abrahamic cults do.

So look again for the first time.

Regards
DL

 

Yes, Gnostic Christians basically see people as primarily good while Christianity sees them as primarily evil. That is why the numbers Christians see are ---------

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKOjV-wtpPc"]South Park Kenny goes to Hell - YouTube

Regards
DL

 

Gnosis, (esoteric or intuitive knowledge,) being ongoing has no particular prejudice. Seeing people as primarily good is a particular prejudice. Not the same effect as holding all events and persons harmless.

 

But the eastern religions did not invent the great sciences for observing material reality... in Time, in Time.

The western religions also invented the major decision between probability and calculus. n/w.

 

I'm going to propose something that probably everybody is going to want to flip out about, and I guess I'm going to go ahead and apologize ahead of time for all that.

After I express this, I won't be coming back (over and over and even OVER) like "some people" love to do. I just want to get this out.

First, I am a believer...in all that you seem to love to mock, GreatestIa. I view the bible, overall, as the greatest book of magic there is.

and...if you have this view, it is quite understandable that God would require a willing sacrifice, which Jesus was, to obliterate the sins of all that would follow. That (forgiving future generations) was the understanding ahead of time, and I'm quite sure you know this is discussed in the bible. It was considered that Jesus's blood sacrifice was the literally last blood sacrifice needed, ever. After that, blood sacrifices were/are considered wrong, and probably an abomination.

If you really want to know the answer about Jesus being sacrificed and why, imo ^ is it. One can use loads of words and rhetoric, but I think that is it in a nutshell.

 

I'll write a check. Whats going at the church these days.... $500+?

 

Oh come on give the lady a break; 78 ways to make going into heaven salty and happy from Soddom and Gommorah. One can wait for Goddoh, one can wait for a miracle, pne can wait for the will on Earth that substitutes mathematical perfection.

 

Not the same thing for sure but certainly in line with the prejudice and positive discrimination Jesus preached of love they neighbor.

Right?

As a Gnostic Christian I have to see all of us as living souls with a spark of God within us all but that does not mean that some of us don't belong in jail or an insane asylum.

Nor does it mean that I have to suffer fools well. We are all at different stages of enlightenment and some need tough love to stop idol worshiping or developing poor morals as literal reading Christians tend to do.

Regards
DL

 

I was talking morals, not science.

Which in your view is more important to God?

Regards
DL

 

Hey said God to Jesus. Useless barbaric human sacrifice is immoral so let's end it by have one last great one.

Some are called immoral idiots for embracing the notion that God would punish the innocent instead of the guilty.


How will you get yourself into heaven?

On your own merit or via a scapegoat?

Revisit substitutionary atonement or vicarious redemption and scapegoating with me just to refresh your memory.

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I am not an atheist but Satan and Christians want atheists to embrace barbaric human sacrifice and the notion that we should profit from punishing the innocent instead of the guilty. Scapegoating IOW.

In reality, if God did demand such a barbaric sacrifice, he would be sinning as we all know that it is immoral to kill the innocent. God knows this yet Christians do not seem to. You do. Right?

Those with good morals will know that no noble and gracious God would demand the sacrifice of a son just to prove it's benevolence. When you die, Satan will ask you; how was your ticket to heaven purchased? With innocent blood?

If and when you say yes, you become his.

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The other option in scriptures, a moral one, is shown here. 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Scriptures indicate that God prefers repentance to sacrifice and as God’s will is supreme and cannot be thwarted, this will come to pass.

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It is a special distorted Christian view of love that sees, --- as the greatest act of love possible, --- their God condemning them, and then turning and demanding his son’s deaths and thus corrupting God's perfect justice. A bribe set by God as judge himself for himself. This is of course ridiculous.

Christians have an insane view of love, IMO.

Would you express your love for humanity or those you love by having your own child needlessly murdered?

Or if convinced that a sacrifice was somehow good, would you have the moral fortitude to step up yourself to that cross instead of sending your child?

Your cowardly God did not.

Regards
DL


P S. I am not surprised that you said you were not coming back. I am sure that you are used to being called out on your immorality and that you cannot defend your Satanic views.

 

Oh well, since you ask. At this situation science mainly for the worth of expecting from the scriptures the Noah event in the history of the disgraced physics of the ole' golf-ball, planet Earth. There was the flooding of the planet which would happen in forty days and forty nights; as environmental disasters go it referred much to the dismay of the people of ancient times to the immoral behaviour of humanity. So we have a mess in the world even today. Is it to be by the resources of neighbours to handle it amongst themselves, or is it the means of golden wealth which is more important for resolution of each person's independent action?

Actually the bible can be rather endearing to the failure "in time" of the divine fruitfulness of the whole Genesis Event. The mathematical temporal sequence is flexible to worded interpretation, and life on Earth transitions to either discontinuous changes, or perhaps unknown pieced together glimpses of humanity in action.:biker:

 

I have already been to Heaven. I had to leave there to come here (to Hell) in order to save humans. We all have a mission and a job to do. Cruel truth.

In Heaven, people talk with each other about how they hated each other in Hell (Earth life). There's only Love in Heaven (hate doesn't exist there). It's really sickening, I know.

They have games in Heaven (who is great, who is greater and who is the greatest). They LOVE to play games. Shameful.

But everyone is Loved, and everybody has value and worth (even when they're a foul, disgusting, vile human on Earth). Terrible, isn't it?

 

Actually no. The axiom is love thy neighbor as thyself, i.e. we value the concerns, hopes, and aspirations of others as if they were our own. The only appropriate response one mind to the other is honor.

Our belonging is assured in birth. Some are compelled into jail and some are institutionalized as insane. What we do to each other is on our heads and not our deserved inheritance in creation. We are created to create the good and holy which is certainly what we would have for ourselves and if we find ourselves indignant and find it expedient to condemn it is because we had not been responsible with our brethren.

You need not suffer nor lend suffering at all.

In the cause of foolish ventures I can't see where replacing a perceived offense, the measure you give is the measure you receive, with an inaccurate verdict, the other guy is guilty, is not the very pinnacle of such things.

When a parent beats their child and says this hurts me more than it hurts you they make a preposterous claim. Love or good morals are beyond what can be taught but not beyond our own example to display as love resides in us through creation. As you do unto the least you do also unto me and in turn there are no idle thoughts as you do it also to yourself.

 

I will get to paradise faster by:

- being (trying to be) as infinitely merciful as possible
- walking in holiness
- studying Jesus' personality and trying to be more like him. He had a divine personality, which is what it takes to reach paradise.

 

Hey Lam!!
I found your new favorite website lol.... http://www.evilbible.com/

 

Where and when is paradise?

 

paradise, is the first source. the center of creation. the first universe where God primarily dwells. its spiritual gravitational pull pulls us further on our ascension journey as we gain experience we draw ever closer. it is what we strive for after each reincarnation

 

You are then inspired by a vision and believe in your visionary quest.