How To Stop The Alt-Right

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Fueled by Coffee, Nov 17, 2016.

  1. Meliai

    Meliai Senior Member

    Also

    Re: political correctness.

    We need honest discourse in politics

    But i do feel it needs to remain polite and should come from a place of empathy and understanding. If being non pc means insulting huge groups of people without, ya know, taking a few seconds to think about what youre actually saying (coughdonaldtrumpcough) i'm not really clear on how that will bridge any divides or encourage honest discourse.

    But i dont really get the feeling the alt right crew's goal is to bridge divides anyways, so whatevs
     
  2. guerillabedlam

    guerillabedlam Senior Member

    Meliai's response...






     
  3. Piaf

    Piaf Senior Member

    Like "deplorables"
     
  4. Meliai

    Meliai Senior Member

    yes exactly.

    it isn't really an either/or thing. I thought they both ran a divisive campaign.

    but Donald did get the coughdonaldcough because he does ramble on and blurt things out a lot without a lot of obvious thought put into it.
     
  5. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

    Have we determined that the wikileaked material is "fact"?To call something a "fact" suggests to me that you got it from a known, reliable, objective source. How has this "fact" been corroborated? Who obtained it? What were their motives? Why did they focus exclusively on Democrats? Is it true that Russia was behind it, as U.S. intelligence suggests?http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/nov/17/blog-posting/no-someone-wasnt-paid-3500-protest-donald-trump-it/
    http://chicagoist.com/2016/10/20/at_wednesdays_third_and_final.php http://www.nbcchicago.com
    /investigations/trump-chicago-rally-paid-protests-397828091.html
    http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/sorosferguson.asp http://www.snopes.com/craigslist-ad-trump-rally/
    https://theintercept.com/2016/04/03/trump-campaign-spread-dirty-meme-paid-protesters/
    We could play the game of link trading all day and night, but unless you can come up with something better than wikileaks and biased pro-Trump sources, its your Alt Reality versus the liberal version.

    As for those isolated instances of thuggery you mention, should we also include alleged attacks by right wing goons on Muslims and other minorities?
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/donald-trump-president-supporters-attack-muslims-hijab-hispanics-lgbt-hate-crime-wave-us-election-a7410166.html
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/11/12/post-election-spate-hate-crimes-worse-than-post-911-experts-say/93681294/
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-attacks-idUSKBN1352NO
    http://www.ibtimes.com/trump-nation-whites-only-20-horrific-acts-violence-against-minorities-president-2446458
     
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  6. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman mama's boy

    -Safe Space culture
    -Trigger warning culture
    -Promoting identity politics
    -Policing language for microaggressions
    -Believing in the conspiracy theory of the patriarchy
    -Demonizing cultural appropriation (like a white person cooking Japanese food, yes it's that ridiculous)
    -Censorship of centrist, libertarian, or conservative viewpoints on everything from college campuses to social media
    -Nitpicking to find offensive subject matter such as racism, and sexism in everything from Halloween costumes to cartoon frogs

    The worst part of political correctness is when it turns deadly. The police in Rotherham did nothing to crack down on a known Pakistani Muslim rape gang, for fear of being Islamaphobic and racist. Or in San Bernardino when the neighbors of the shooters decided not to report the suspicious activity they saw, for fear of being racist or islamaphobic.

    Why is it wrong to prioritize facts over feelings?

    I never really saw SJW as a pejorative way to paint ALL liberals under the same brush. I know a few liberals who are disgusted with the SJW movement and feel that political correctness has gone too far. Such as prominent internet figures such as the Amazing Atheist. I think you can separate the social justice left from the conventional left, just like you can separate the religious right from the alt-right.



    I don't know if there is yet. If an Alt-left ever did show up, I'd hope they'd be the ones who correct all the problems within the left wing and make it better.
     
  7. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman mama's boy

    If any of those e-mails provided by wikileaks were forged, wouldn't the Hillary campaign provided proof to debunk all of it?

    I don't know if Assange is a Trump supporter or not. I don't think he really is. I just think he has it out for Hillary Clinton TBH. Remember, she denounced all whistleblowers as criminals back in the day when Democrats thought Assange was a hero 4 years ago.



    Oh, and the hijab pulling from the racist Trump supporters was all faked:
    http://klfy.com/2016...ers-police-say/
     
  8. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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  9. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman mama's boy

    Key word being the media and US intelligence "suggests" it was the Russians ;)
     
  10. Ged

    Ged Rhetorical Juvenile.

    I am that most hated of beings - a white middle-class male.Irrelevant and responsible for all of society's ills.An endangered species.Supposedly privileged except I ain't seeing any.Where is the space for me in all this,or should I just off myself?
     
  11. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

    Maybe, maybe not. What "proof" could she offer? It might have been a tactical decision not to get further bogged down on the issue during the last frenetic days of the campaign.
     
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  12. Lynnbrown

    Lynnbrown Firecracker

    Thank you for bringing this to the forefront. I highy questioned Assange's "factual wikileaks" a little while back... I couldn't help but notice that not one person questioned these so-called wikilieaked "facts", as long as these "facts" were saying what they wanted. ;)

    All if know is Assange is in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London...and likely to stay there for however long he needs to, in order to avoid a rape charge in Sweden. SO, I am highly skeptical of a man running from a rape charge that is also capable of hacking into (supposedly secure) government servers that he wouldn't ALSO alter the text of what he found on these servers to suit his own agenda.

    Surely it shouldn't take a MENSA member to see the logic of this ^^^.
     
  13. relaxxx

    relaxxx Senior Member

    You just have to wait for Canada to go right again... Canada goes right, US goes left, Canada goes left, US goes right...

    "Blame Canada".
     
  14. GeorgeJetStoned

    GeorgeJetStoned Free Psychotic Readings

    Naaa, there's no reason to off yourself. Just because you're hated doesn't mean you actually earned that hatred. The kinds of people who hate others for things like their skin color, are usually called racists. In the US there's a double-standard in that regard that basically says that "only white people can be racists" (giving an open license for everyone else to hate as much as they like). It's usually followed up with something like "all white people are born racists".

    But that's all in your imagination, mine too!

    Can you imagine the hell that would be raised if this kind of article was written by white people about black people? http://www.theroot.com/blog/the-grapevine/here_s_a_list_of_things_we_d_wish_white_people_would_stop_doing/

    Then there's Oprah's "peaceful" solution: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD7QfC0Xjwk

    Of course no analysis of this would be complete without "Doctor" Kamau Kambon's revelation about wiping white people from the earth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEqa90XpPw0

    While I love the classics, these lyrics really say it all: (But in a nice way of course, no racism implied, honest)
    "Kill All The White People"

    Kill all the white people.
    Kill all the white people.
    Then we'll be free.
    we'll be free.

    Kill all the white people
    Kill all the white people,
    Kill all the white people
    Kill all the white people.

    Then we be free
    Then we be free
    We be free.

    Kill them all men
    Kill them all.

    Then we be free
    Then we be free,
    Then we be free
    Then we be free.

    Then we be free
    Then we be free,
    Then we be free
    We be free.

    Ooh power
    Black power
    Destroy white boy.

    Yo violence ain't necessary
    Word.

    Type O-


    No need to off yourself, they'll get around to you eventually!!!
     
  15. I think the real weapon is progressive thinking! :)
     
  16. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

    Are you saying that this crap is typical of anything? One of the favorite techniques of propagandists is to dig up atypical incidents, string them together, and represent them as typical. I could print you off some articles from Breitbart News and The Crusader (publication of the "non-existent KKK) and make white people and Trump supporters look like a bunch of knucle dragging racists. Hopefully, viewers won't confuse propaganda with reality.
     
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  17. neonspectraltoast

    neonspectraltoast Senior Member

    WikiLeaks are well-vetted and come from reliable sources. The reason people aren't denying the leaks is because they're true and likely as not WikiLeaks can prove they're true. If anything about them weren't true, the people in question would be denying them. Donna Brazile wouldn't have been fired from CNN. Hillary wouldn't have tried to put her "public vs. private" persona into context in the debates. They're true.

    Maybe one day WikiLeaks will leak something that isn't credible and their reputation will be tarnished, but that has yet to happen. This is a case where, if they don't prove the leaks to be untrue, it is safe to believe they are true.

    I understand being pissed at WikiLeaks for the way they harmed Hillary during the election, but this is a source of reliable information that we desperately need and will likely need again in the future. Likely as not there will come a desperate time when ya'all will be very grateful that WikiLeaks is out there. So don't go throwing them under the bus now. Just accept your losses gracefully.
     
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  18. Moonglow181

    Moonglow181 Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

    I do not know how graceful I can be when my hands are tied and bound and someone is forcing something I cannot stand down my throat.....I will try....and it might mean that I go away for awhile to try and forget and regain balance within myself.
     
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  19. Meliai

    Meliai Senior Member

    I dont recall ever saying we should prioritize facts over feelings, but maybe you just meant it in a general way. I wish both sides would prioritize facts over feelings. I think feelings are important too, without them we lose the ability to empathize, but we must put feelings in the context of facts and not the other way around.

    Anyways, your list....

    Some of it is fair. I dont view any of it as a huge concern, not in the context of other very serious issues we face as a human race, but fair enough either way.

    But safe spaces, for example, i dont understand the hysteria surrounding it. How does it pertain to your life? Who cares what a few college campuses and their students decide to do - isnt it their business? And why is it such a bad thing anyways, how is it different than gathering to do yoga or meditate or have bible study or any other method humans have devised over the years to deal with the shittier aspects of humanity.

    It seems like such a nonissue to me, like something reported on a slow news day and somehow alt righters latched onto it and elevated it into something horrendous.
     
  20. GeorgeJetStoned

    GeorgeJetStoned Free Psychotic Readings

    Exactly, I'd make a terrible leftist. I have no real skill at trying to push a false narrative. Especially when we've made our world so binary. I found the most comical examples I could. Which is why I didn't pull out Farrakhan, Shabazz, or Bouie. I have some really funny stuff on "The KKK" as well. I think racism sucks in any direction but, for the moment, racism seems to be defined as having only 1 origin and deliverer. As long as that prevails, no progress will be made.
     

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