How To Get To Heaven When You Die

I see someone let out the religious kind again. Jesus that, God that. Take a look at the world today and try and tell me there's a God. If I ever decided to make a world, I wouldnt let it turn into chaos like he has done. Either way, he's either not there, or a weak nobody. I'd rather live my life the way I want to than live how some ancient book tells me to live. When I'm dying, I'll at least have the satisfaction that my life was mine and I lived it to it's fullest.

Religious people are nothing but worthless piggy banks that need something to make their miserable life worth living. End of story. Have a great day.

 

I'm a religious person, i follow my own path, i do not force my religion on others and i do not feel my religion is right for everyone else just because it is right for me so maybe story's can have different endings
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is this spam? technically speaking?

 

that's possibly the funniest thing i've seen all day......

 

so, yeah, it's spam. that's what i thought.

 

So then you deny the fact that those is the new testament spoke in tongues? I find it amusing that modern, "christianity" does not accept this. By unbelief, this means that their teaching is calling the Bible, Jesus, and his apostles liars.

Romans 8:9 states , "If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to the Christ."

If you do not have his spirit, then what leads you to believe that you have salvation? Salvation does not come because a preacher/pastor/leader claims it. Nor does it come about by a, "euphoric" feeling. There is absolutely no biblical evidence to back the claim of a shiny, happy feeling up.

However, upon looking at the Bible, you will clearly see that speaking in tongues is a solitary example of confirmation of the Holy Spirit (I have listed all of the verses pertaining to this). If Christ said that without being baptized and possessing his spirit, one would not see his kingdom, then any teaching claiming otherwise is not of the Lord because it would not contradict his statement. Christ does not go back on his word!

Simply believing in Christ does not bring about salvation. I am sorry, but that contradictions Jesus's own words. John 3:5 makes that quite clear. Knowing that Christ died for us is simple awareness. Awareness does not bring about salvation. It is merely the first step.

Lastly, for all of those who are so upset over the fact that someone would dare post this topic, last time I checked this was called, "random thoughts". That pretty much implies that anything goes. We have a beverage forum, both a marijuana and a psychadelic forum and a love and sex forum, yet, I still see posts here that pertain to all of those topics. This is a free speech board. If you are able to discuss topics of that nature outside of their confined forum, then religion would apply to random thoughts as well.

 

i always figured that speaking in tongues just referred to people suddenly being blessed with the knack for languages. one of those spiritual gifts. not this glossallalia (sp?) gibberish mumbo jumbo.

(though the book Snowcrash deals with this concept BRILLIANTLY)

 

When I am speaking in tongues I can hear clearly defined words being said in a language that I have not learned nor had any previous exposure to at any point in my life. Quite frankly, it is another language.

Glossolalia is also defined by being in a trance-like state. When speaking in tongues, I am fully aware of my surroundings. I do not have any restrictions placed upon my body. I could speak in tongues at this very moment and still be able to type efficiently at the same time.

The world of psychology has also stated that speaking in tongues may be a manifestation of schizophrenic. As a psychology student, I find no correlation.

 

ive only seen speaking in tongues are being done by people faking. not saying it doesnt happen.

 

i just don't think that the people leaving the sanctuary on pentecost were doing epiphany's version of "speaking in tongues." i think they were given the gift of languages. what good is speaking in tongues traci's style if no one else understands you? the apostles were given the gift of tongues to communicate the gospel to non-believers. the non-believers were not given the gift of understanding the "tongues" spoken by the apostles.

 

true. makes sense to me like you always do.

 

Tongues are meant for communication with God, not man. That is the first mistake everyone makes. Many people claim that tongues seem like a falliable langue, however, it is not meant as a form of communication with mankind. Also, again, if you look at the examples, people of old testament were given the gift of tongues, not just the apostles.

 

why would god want you to speak in tongues to talk to him?

my god.. which is the christian god without the church.. hears my soul. my soul means all.

 

the holy spirit's job is the communication of our prayers and our soul to god. i think you mistake the point of the gift of tongues, not i.

 

I believe that you are mistaken... tongues are not a gift of the Spirit. If you read 1st Corinthians througouly, it states that both the interpretation of tongues and speaking in several different forms of tongues are gifts of the spirit.

 

the holy spirit makes you feel life and know how to treat others. tongues are usually fake.

 

1Co 13:8 ¶ Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. {fail: Gr. vanish away}
9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
1Co 8:2
10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. {done away: Gr. vanish away}

We no longer speak in tongues because that which is "perfect" has come. The perfect word of God is already complete. I possess the Holy Spirit and I have never spoken in tongues. I do know that one time, I was being attacked by demons in my sleep and they did speak in tongues. The very second that I woke up, I heard the same exact voice talking on the radio, but it turned into english. The guy was talking about how he had been an alcoholic and now he is saved. I believe that that guy had demons following him, since the "tongues" that I heard was demonic in nature. Very agressive and evil. I am not going to say weather you tongues come from God or not, but I will say that you don't need to speak in tongues to be saved. It's all about believing what Christ did for you on the cross for your sins. It is NOT about looking for some sign. If everyone places there attention all the time on looking for a sign from God, then they will probably believe any sign is from God. Not all supernatural occurances are from God. We need to have discernment. I have no doubt that I have the Holy Spirit. I can feel His presence in me. I just don't speak in tongues. I never have and I doubt that I ever will. I have seen the Lord deliver from the powers of darkness. I fight spiritual warfare daily. I have received Christ as Savior.

Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: {power: or, the right, or, privilege}

It doesn't say for as many as have spoken in tongues.

 

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I have not made any reference as to looking for a sign.

After Jesus's death, (what is perfect that had come), his spirit was poured out onto his apostles and believers and it was not until then that they began to speak in another tongue.

Discernment comes only from Christ's spirit. Many people are led into believing that they have the Spirit, yet in reality, they are only under the influence of a false spirit.

When the one hundred and twenty were filled with his spirit, they were all on one accord. Likewise, those who are filled with the spirit of Christ, will be on the same accord. No one everyone possesses the Spirit as they claim to.

Again, please show me a biblical reference that states when one is filled with the Spirit, they will possess a special feeling.

I have received Christ as my savior and followed his example of water and spiritual baptism. I have repented of my sin, am covered by his blood impart by baptism in his name and have received his spirit by evidence of speaking in tongues as found in the new testament.

It was through the guidance of his spirit that I was led to write the initial salvation post in the beginning.

Stating that a gift from the Father (such as tongues) is of satan, is blasphemy.

 

pompous.