How To Get To Heaven When You Die

Worthy of death. Before Jesus ministered, everyone was put to death for things like adultery, prostetution,etc...
Jesus took away that law. Therefore it says they are 'worthy of death' , but not 'are to be put to death'.

It's called a parable, he's pointing it out in a way they'd understand. And yes, he's talking about hell.

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I can't believe the one you pointed out. Do you even know what he's talking about??
He's talking about the future. Revelation is a book of prophecies about the end days. And that horseman represents the fact that there will be lots of war and chaos towards the end days (where we obviously are right now). This has absolutely NOTHING to do with supporting murder. You were obviously just doing a search without background knowledge of what revelation even is...

Nobody's inoccent, except Jesus Christ. We all have sinned, and in order to go to heaven we must have all sins washed away by the blood of Christ, he already took all our sins on the cross, but one must bellieve first.

Since you don't believe in his FREE sacrifice:
the Lord's one and only son... who was perfect, and has not sinned once

You will go to hell. Jesus was SINNLESS (eventhough he was mocked, despised, and rejected) and he payed for YOU (who has commited various sins),- yet you still reject him?

I hope you get saved.

BTW: Nope, I don't see any support for murder yet.

 

I know exactly what he's talking about. That passage is proof of the bloodthirsty nature of your god. The seal was opened by "the lamb," correct? Would that not be another form of the son of god? The lamb opened the seal, the lamb loosed this horesman on the Earth, the lamb gave to the horseman power to take peace from the Earth. Conclusion: In this passage, your god causes men to war upon each other.

In other passages he causes plagues and famine - such a nice god he is, eh? These horsemen serve your god. Ultimately, your god is responsible for their actions. Think about it. Was Hitler innocent because his men did the killing by his orders rather than him personally? If he died sinless, he'll make up for it in the "end times," with a vengance.

I know Revelations is supposed to be about the future. This book predicts these actions from a supposedly good deity and you want me to follow him? What happened to creating peace on earth - or does that only happen after he's loosed all kinds of terrible things on us to kill everyone else off?

It's the stuff about the "end days" that I think is the worst part of your belief system. You can't wait for the wars and the famine and the disease, can you? When the suffering really get going, then you will know that your god has come - what an entrance. You look forward to the days when your god causes the deaths of billions of people, so you can have the world all to yourselves. It's appalling.

I reject "the father." and with good reason. I think that the things what's-his-name, "the son" said was great stuff. I love it and the only problem I have with it is that he attaches himself to that evil creature and wants us to enter into its kingdom. Why would I want to enter into that place? That would be like wanting to be a part of Hitler's dream for the Third Reich. Sure, everyone there is supposed to be happy, but at what price? The willful destruction of the world and the slaughter of billions. And Christians think that's a good thing? And you don't see that is insane?

If he sacrificed himself to get me into a kingdom ruled by a petty tyrant, he wasted his time. His suffering was for naught. That his blood and suffering washed away my sins is all fine and dandy, but even with love in my heart for Jesus, I still wouldn't accept his gift of entrance to the kingdom. His father makes me sick, and I refuse to spend even a second in the presence of that awful thing.

I have never mocked, or despised Jesus. He was wise and honorable. But nothing he has said has convinced me that his father is anything other than a mean, jealous, petty deity. While I wold pay homage to Jesus for the things he said in his life, I will never submit to any god who plans to destroy the world and recreate it for his own people. I love the world. It is beautiful and I will fight anyone who tries to ruin it. If that means your god, then so be it.

 

No Sir i am not judging I am telling the truth. If u dont believe in or live for God then you are serving satan.

 

Well, there's a good chance that Satan may in fact be "God", and "God" is in fact "Satan" ~ after all, God is the liar who told the 1st lie of the bible Genesis 3:3, and Satan conversely tells the truth Genesis 3:4-7.
From those verses, God would have us live blindly under the spell of a lie, and Satan says we can know our truth by seeing reality.
If the biblical satan is so evilly deceiptful, wouldn't the greatest evil deceipt be the impersonation of God? Successfully, it seems!
Know the truth and the truth will set you free.

 

Just answer one question for me... Why would anyone willingly enter a kingdom ruled by that most awful of deities. At no point have you ever even attempted a defense of "the father." I think you know that I'm correct in this. You cannot possibly defend the commands and actions of such a being. It's a mystery to me why the Jewish people have continued to give this creature thier worship. They seem so educated and those I've known personally (while perhaps being a bit on the bigoted side) seem to be really good people. This god of theirs has yet to fulfill the promise he made to Abraham several millennia ago, and in the meantime he has made the most bigoted decrees against people who want only to be allowed to love each other, against women, against anyone who doesn't give up their deities and give all their adulation to him, he has demanded blood sacrifices and murdered millions, and promised to return and kill even more of us. I can't fathom it. Those people deserve better than their god has given them. That creature isn't worthy of anyone's adulation. He has sinned against us more than we against him.

 

Shakyamuni Buddha is Lord
Krishna is Lord
Ahur Mazda is Lord
Ram is Lord
Quetzalcoaltl is Lord
Ra is Lord
Odin Skyfather is Lord
Zeus/Iupeter is Lord
Mithra is Lord
Shiva Ram is Lord
Maitrerya is Lord
Io Pan is Lord
Osiris is Lord
Vishnu is Lord



okay...

 

i used to think that way

 

I think he was telling them that to scare them not to lie to them.

 

Those people arent real. They cant save your life.

 

whoes to say they arent real peaople, but yeah i disagree that they are the Lord [although i used to think that way, as i say again ]

 

Amber, God isnt real. He cant save you.

 

"Just answer one question for me... Why would anyone willingly enter a kingdom ruled by that most awful of deities. At no point have you ever even attempted a defense of "the father." I think you know that I'm correct in this. You cannot possibly defend the commands and actions of such a being. It's a mystery to me why the Jewish people have continued to give this creature thier worship. They seem so educated and those I've known personally (while perhaps being a bit on the bigoted side) seem to be really good people. This god of theirs has yet to fulfill the promise he made to Abraham several millennia ago, and in the meantime he has made the most bigoted decrees against people who want only to be allowed to love each other, against women, against anyone who doesn't give up their deities and give all their adulation to him, he has demanded blood sacrifices and murdered millions, and promised to return and kill even more of us. I can't fathom it. Those people deserve better than their god has given them. That creature isn't worthy of anyone's adulation. He has sinned against us more than we against him."

There is no answer...they just reply "he does it out of love" or "we dont understand why he does the things he does"...which, in my opinion, are bullshit answers, similar to Christian answers regarding cosmology.

 

If I get to heaven, God will have a lot of explaining to do. After that, I'd kick Him in the nuts.

 

OK, if you want to go to hell, fine, that's your thing. Just don't go looking for excuses when you're infront the throne of justice.

And guess what? OUR God CREATED this world you love so much. Be thankful! Without him this beautiful World wouldn't exist. He created it, and you, who 'loves' this world, don't give a crap about him only about his creation.
Sin is in control here,That's why he's angry, and wants to clear out this world and create a new one where there will be nothing but peace and hapiness, for Satan's gone.

... Your Spirit's dead, that's why you may not understand that The LORD wants to have fellowship with you...

 

That's only your rationale, and your rationale is aimed at defending belief, despite the facts stating the opposite ~ that God lied!
God is supposed to be and use love "for Love is God...." yet he uses fear, which is Satan's method!
The facts are staring christianity in the face, yet it remains blind to reality.
Look up <cognitive dissonance>

 

That'll be great! It'll be just like that scene form A FEW GOOD MEN, where Tom Cruise publicly accuses the entire judicial system of a corrupt cover-up. And yes, I'd rather know that I was true to myself and burn eternally than be a thought-slave to one of the most evil beings in the universe. My honor and my freedom is more important to me than my comfort.

Man, you really are ignorant about your own religion aren't you? According to the bible, the world was created by Elohim. That means "THE GODS." Perhaps your god helped, but by no means was it a one person job. Crack open a real book and do some historical research, this stuff is available to anyone who spends a bit of effort at it and really wants to know the truth about the histoical development of your religion. But you are young. Perhaps one day you will learn not to believe everything your leaders tell you. Then again, we seem to be training our youth to want to remain passive and stupid these days. Pity.

Yeah, sure. That's just what the Nazi's said. Kill all the unbelievers and create a new world... the tried and tested sure-fire recipe for real evil. I see you are still looking forward to it. Well, maybe this time it will be different, but probably not. Evil has tried this before and been roundly defeated, I'm sure we can keep the darkness at bay one more time.

That's a pretty interesting statement. Tell me, how do you know anything about my spirit? By any other reckoning, my spirit is alive and full of righteous fervor. I am raging against the dying of the light. It's you that can't wait for the darkness to fall.

 

Yup, that's right Elohim: The father, the son, and the Holy Spirit
well known as the divine Trinity.
It also states 'let us make man in our image'
(yup, that's right: We've got a Flesh, a soul, and a spirit.-Just like God! )

There's a difference between Nazis and God. The Jews didn't have a choice, they were forced to go to the concentration camps. God doesn't force you. He lets you choose whether to go to heaven or to hell. And Hitler also tortured the Jews, God doesn't torture you, Satan does.

Nope, your Spirit's dead. However, you may be confusing your Spirit with your soul. It happens...alot.

Soul- mind, will, and emotion
Spirit- connection with God

 

God LETS Satan torture us, you mean.

 

*Stabs this thread with a sharp stick* Still alive, eh?

 

*checks pulse* yeah...still alive
God is gay.