How To Get To Heaven When You Die

ok fair enough...


hmmm...

this is pretty much the only thing i could find that came up under miracle and hindu, its from beliefnet

"How can the Hindu faith or any religion stand when there is nothing giving it credibility (no miracles or martyrs)?
Hinduism does have miracles and martyrs--lots of them. The Puranas (epics) are full of stories of human beings and gods who perform miracles, and of others who sacrifice themselves for the sake of righteousness. Here's one example of a miracle story that has wide circulation:

A demon, through long practice of austerities, forced Lord Brahma to grant him dominion over all the world. (Performing austerities builds up tapas, spiritual "heat," and if a person or demon accumulates enough tapas, he can become powerful enough to challenge the moral order of the cosmos; to prevent this, the gods of epic time--of whom Lord Brahma was the highest--were said to placate such yogis with various boons). In order to free the earth from its enslavement, the god Vishnu miraculously took on the form of a dwarf. He went to the demon and danced for him, sang, and told jokes. When the demon was in a good mood, Vishnu asked for a small favor: All he wanted was a small piece of land, just as much as he could cover in three steps. No problem, the demon said. So Vishnu, in the form of a dwarf, took three steps--steps so miraculously huge that they encompassed all the earth."



i bet others could do better, but still, for lots of the people here, it would be deamons or lies or myths, so ther isnt really much of a point

 

wait: i got this off a "milk offerings" site

"Another amazing manifestation occurred at a major Hindu temple in Wimbledon, South London. There, milk offerings to the statue of Ganesh disappeared, and, simultaneously, in a shrine room containing a large photograph of Sai Baba, vibhuti (holy ash) poured from Sai Baba's forehead, and amrit (nectar) flowed from His feet."

and off a link from that site:

"A most relevant case of a Hindu miracle is that of Nambi Ambar Nambi, who lived about 1,000 ce. His father was priest of a small Ganesha temple in South India. One day he had to go to another village and asked his son Nambi to do the daily puja for Ganesha at the temple. Nambi did the best he could. But, assuming Ganesha always took the food his father brought, he became disheartened when Ganesha would not eat his food offerings. Nambi cried and cried and started to beat his head against the shrine wall. Suddenly Ganesha said, "Stop, Nambi, stop," and then proceeded to eat the food. Nambi was delighted to see all the food in front of Ganesha disappear and asked Ganesha to teach him all there was to know of religion. Later, when his father returned home, Nambi told him what had happened. Not believing his son's story, the father went to the temple and witnessed Ganesha's actually eating the food offerings."

but as i said, its often no point..but then again, God does mysterious things

 

what i meant by the not beleiving part...was the god in the tacos thinger

 

You're right, THAT one I don't believe.

 

To say that you are being listened to is not to say that you have a personal relationship with the entire trinity. Look it up.

http://www.idolhands.com/egypt/

You mean you have faith. You can claim knowledge, but you don't actually have it - you are lying. Faith isn't knowledge. Don't confuse the two. You appear to be claiming the words in the bible are literally true. Is this the case? The bible makes some pretty ridiculous claims (for instance, the Earth was created before the stars, according to the bible - just one of many obviously false statements).

That's your choice. You choose what to believe and what not to believe. However, simply because you choose to believe or not doesn't make it so.

 

Well for me there's proof enought that the Bibles true. And I KNOW it is, along with many other christians here. We know because nothing can change our minds. For we have seen and received miracles , as well as healing.

 

I'm not doubting your experiences. I'm only concerned with what you think those experiences prove. Think carefully; are the miracles and healing your proof? What, exactly do they prove? That the bible is true? How do they prove that? Because the bible says there will be miracles? There's magic in every religion (well, any good one ). In some sense that you will never admit to, unfortunatley, the TRUTH is in every religion. I'll never understand why you must insist on this ludicris notion that there is only one TRUTH. Look around. The world is full of miracles! How does this prove that I'm going to hell? It doesn't. It proves that the world is full of miracles.

The "truth" in your book is killing people, and scores of your peers are calling that proof that it is true. Thousands of people calling themselves "Christians" have traded their freedom, their honor and their dignity for a lemming-like sprint for the end of the world. And they are taking the rest of us with them, and that really pisses me off!

Personally, I like this miracle filled world. I'd like to see us treat it with respect instead of goading it into killing us. A lot of people calling themselves "Christians" are destroying this world in their zeal to get to the next and claiming that it's alright because their god will fix all the beautiful things in the world that they have ruined, just for them, after he has killed the rest of us off. Your "truth" is dangerous. How can you allow yourselves to believe that? Are you insane?

 

To paraphrase Jesus, if I may be so presumptuous, the core of Christianity is simply this - Love God, love your neighbor, love your enemies.

What if everyone actually loved one another, I don't mean anything extraordinary, just a simple joy about the existence of every other person, an appreciation for our common humanity which inspires your behavior, just try to imagine how this would transform the world in which you and I live.

Please, just ponder this the next time you're in a pondering mood.

 

You're making claims that are ignorant and simply not true, don't confuse Christianity with Islam.

The truth is the exact opposite. And those that kill aren't christians.

 

No he isn't. And you're a bigoted idiot. I try to remind myself that you're just a kid but it still ticks me off. Because kids like you grow up into adults who act the same way. It's childish and small-minded, and if you'd just look around the world and LOOK at the results these sorts of beliefs generate, you might realize something.

Guess what, Bush is a Christian. It doesn't matter if he's a "true" christian (whatever the fuck that is, it's different for everyone it seems). He reads the same book, preaches the same gospels. And you know what? He's killing loads of people with his zealous wars, not to mention helping to destroy the fucking environment. But hey, this world doesn't matter, right? The next one, heaven, that's what's important. Lets trash this one till it's unlivable, and as long as we're all self-righteous, we're fine. And no, Bush isn't the only one doing this. There are, in fact, a huge number of these sorts of people. A look at the world today (and throughout christian history) would show you that.

know1nozme said it perfectly.

 

A true christian is one who FOLLOWS and OBEYS the Word.
And guess what?
-'thought shallt not kill'

Therefore, whoever kills, is being disobediant. A Christian obeys God's Word, -and doesn't make stupid claims like "I'm a Christian"; eventhough they're, say, New Agers.

Islam's 'truth' encourages murdering those who don't believe , Christianity says to pray for them.


You have just proven that you have no knowledge about our doctrine.

 

What can I say, except that if this were the Christianity which everyone was practicing, there wouldn't be a problem. However, it isn't.

The people who shoot doctors outside abortion clinics are Christians and somehow I find it very difficult to believe that they have any love in thier hearts for their victims. The people in our government who are so eager to wage war on whomever seems to be next on their list are Christians; the people who stand at the funereals of victims of AIDS brandishing signs that say things like "God hates fags" are Christians.

How is any of this evidence of the love that Christians are supposed to have toward all people?

Christians are agitating for legislation which will allow them to discriminate against those who's lifestyles they disagree with. Christians have created a strong movement to make Christianity the state religion of the United States, which will force millions to flee the country or take their spirituality underground or else they will be punished. George Bush Sr., who is a Christian has claimed that anyone who isn't a Christian cannot be considered a patriot and that they shouldn't even be considered "real" citizens of the country. A Christian minister just excommunicated more than 40 people in his congregation because they didn't vote they way he thought they should.

Christians are pushing for relaxing environmental standards for corporate polluters, because they truely believe that since the world will end soon, they don't have to care about what condition our planet will be in in a hundred years. Many of them are actually working to place the world into a state of jeopardy because they think it will hasten the second coming.

You can say that the core of Christianity is simply to love one another, but that's not what I see. I see the core of Christianity as a preparation for the second coming (the end of the world) and a strong desire to punish everyone who isn't with them. In other mythologies, people concern themselves with staving off the end of the world for as long as possible, but Christians actually want the world to end. They pray for it, they work toward it, and unless they are stopped, they might just accomplish it.

Christians are destructive and hateful zealots in the guise of a loving and peaceful people. The words of their saviour have been corrupted and twisted by their spiritual leaders until their original intent has been all but lost. If ever a place called Hell should exist, it is being created here on Earth by Christians.

In fact, the entire Judeo-Christian-Muslim population exercises more hate toward each other and everyone else that I would have even thought possible. I continue to be amazed that any group of people would willingly follow a god who has commanded such horrible things. Such an evil deity should be refused, rebuked, and roundly ignored. That deities religion should be crushed, all it's temples destroyed, and every scrap of material on which it's holy doctrines are recorded should be burned. Better that it had never existed than it's adherants should have the opportunity to rain destruction on the world for their own selfish ends.

If you claim to be a Christian and you disagree with me, perhaps you should take whatever time and energy is necessary to set your bretheren straight. If your Christianity is the kind where people love one another and practice forgiveness and tolerance, then you are in the vocal minority. Your religion has been co-opted by evil heretics and if you truely love your religion and your god, then you will do everything in your power to stop this. It is a moral imperiative that you not allow your religion to be used as an excuse for the hateful treatment of those who do not believe as you do. Do not let these hate mongers destroy your religion and all it stands for. Fight them. As fellow Christians, perhaps they will listen to you (they certainly aren't listening to anyone else).

The day I see loving Christians shouting down their hateful peers and reminding them about what their saviour actually told them to do. They day they outnumber their hateful brethern in the massive marches and protests against tolerance and love for all. On that day, I'll recant my position on Christianity. Until then, say what you will, but all the actual evidence concerning the behaviour of the majority of Christians simply proves that my take on Christianity is correct.

Perhaps there are two Christianities - one of which worships a loving and forgiving god and simply wants peace on earth, and another which worships a hate mongering god and seeks to destroy the earth. Perhaps they worship two entirely different gods. If you are among the first, loving and peaceful group, I think your best move would be to stop trying to convert the non-believers and tackle the problem Christians and their evil god. I can think of no better way to convince/convert the rest of us than getting rid of the evil Christians and their petty tyrant of a god.

 

uhhh, yeah, from what ive read, Islam is based on that the two bokes used by Christanity {the Torah and the NT] were changed by man, and thats why the angel Gabreil came before Mohammad.

Islam is based in peace, and respect for the followers of Jeudeo-Christain beliefs, as well, im sure, of the other religions probobly...im sure calizbraq [sorry i spelld it wrong] will be in here sometime to clear anyhitng up, andmost definitly some quotes...

 

I know it has the first two testaments in it, in a twisted way (they said Jesus never died, but Judas died for him:

"...for their saying, We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, the Messenger of God. Yet they did not slay him, neither crucified him, only a likeness of that was shown them... God raised him up to Him..." (IV - Women: 155)).

Including a 3rd testament which states that you'll go to paradise if you kill the people of the book....
However, I don't think carbdizzaq (sp?) kills people.

Many of the 3rd testament contradicts the first two as well.

They're my friends still ( they're of Abrahamic faith, after all! ), eventhough the Quoran says:

"O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Whoso of you makes them his friends is one of them..." (V: The Tables: 55)

 

Islam is no more pro-murder than Christianity. You are a bigoted, small-minded, confused, hypocritical little girl who needs serious help quickly, before you have any kids and force your downright scary beliefs onto them.

 

Give me at least onepassage in the NT that supports the idea of killing people.

 

well everyone bsaes non-gay beleifs on Levictical Law, and that has some pretty nasty stuff in it, so either it applies or it doesnt, i dont think the God is gray on where he stands on His Laws...

 

oh yeah, and im also pretty sure that in Islamic Law, that it says although His Law is the greatest, you must follow the laws of the country first...

 

Here's some I found, from Leviticus.

9 " 'Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death. Because they have cursed their father or mother, their blood will be on their own head.

10 " 'If a man commits adultery with another man's wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death.

11 " 'If a man has sexual relations with his father's wife, he has dishonored his father. Both the man and the woman are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

12 " 'If a man has sexual relations with his daughter-in-law, both of them are to be put to death. What they have done is a perversion; their blood will be on their own heads.

13 " 'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

14 " 'If a man marries both a woman and her mother, it is wicked. Both he and they must be burned in the fire, so that no wickedness will be among you. 15 " 'If a man has sexual relations with an animal, he is to be put to death, and you must kill the animal.

16 " 'If a woman approaches an animal to have sexual relations with it, kill both the woman and the animal. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.


27 " 'A man or woman who is a medium or spiritist among you must be put to death. You are to stone them; their blood will be on their own heads.' "


And here's something from Exodus I just found, which is one of the most insulting things I've ever read:


2 "If you buy a Hebrew servant, he is to serve you for six years. But in the seventh year, he shall go free, without paying anything. 3 If he comes alone, he is to go free alone; but if he has a wife when he comes, she is to go with him. 4 If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the woman and her children shall belong to her master, and only the man shall go free.

5 "But if the servant declares, 'I love my master and my wife and children and do not want to go free,' 6 then his master must take him before the judges. [a] He shall take him to the door or the doorpost and pierce his ear with an awl. Then he will be his servant for life.

7 "If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as male servants do. 8 If she does not please the master who has selected her for himself, [b] he must let her be redeemed. He has no right to sell her to foreigners, because he has broken faith with her. 9 If he selects her for his son, he must grant her the rights of a daughter. 10 If he marries another woman, he must not deprive the first one of her food, clothing and marital rights. 11 If he does not provide her with these three things, she is to go free, without any payment of money.



People who follow this book are fucking insane.

 

nah, just most people