How To Get To Heaven When You Die

me and my friend used to ask a morality teacher at our school similar questions, and he said that at the supposed final judgement, God will judge how people lived their lives, and if you have lived a good life God will accept you into heaven. AN example he used was like tribes and such that have never heard of christianity, they would not be rejecting Jesus, so God will have to judge on character. Likewise God cannot punish a handicapped person for being mentally incapable of understanding religion.

 

well if you made it to heaven, chances are youre already a mindless slave =)

 

Ouch !!!

How are you going to know if you're in heaven if you have no thought as to where you are? How are you going to be able to identify happiness without thought to identify it? Without the ability to know what happiness is, how are you sure it's happiness your experiencing?

I have to somewhat agree, and disagree on your thought ... however, I'm sure the body is only responding to stimulii ... its the thoughts that direct it to sin. I'm sure the body doesn't know one bit that the mind is enjoying its sensations when the mind directs it through thought to perform the task of touching.

So the agree part is that happiness is when you don't think ... sort of ... what a conundrum ...

Darrell

 

yeah i dunno why i said you dont think, because if anything you ONLy think in heaven. i kinda meant you dont think like you do on earth. you dont think about the weather, or what time it is or what youre going to eat for dinner, its more just eternal happiness, with nothing relaly to think about. im talking like i actually know

 

Hikaru Zero,

First of all, it would seem as though a minister wouldn't be stumped so easily, if he would simply rely on the scripture to answer the question. First of all, in order to successfully answer your question for you and give you assurance, you would need to believe that the bible is God's holy word. You said that you weren't sure about that is that correct?

The bible was written by God through 40 men in 3 languages over a 1,500 year period. These men lived in different parts of the world, some were rich, some were poor, some were educated, some were not, most didn't know each other, nor did they have access to the other's writings and yet it fits together as if it were written by one person. It was written by God. It has no errors or contradictions. It is the Word of God. The bible is accurate in matters of Science, History, and all matters of life. There are countless prophecies which have been predicted and fulfilled perfectly in scripture. Many of these prophecies were written hundreds or even thousands of years before they were even fulfilled.

 

Prophecies of the Old Testament

Fulfilled in Jesus Christ

Prophecies of the OT Fulfilled in Jesus the Messiah and His church

a total of 1,093

50 Specific Prophecies Fulfilled in Jesus

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The Messiah, the Christ in Greek

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Prophecies of the OT Fulfilled in Jesus Christ:

There have been described in the Old Testament 300 prophecies of the first coming of the Messiah and 500 of the second coming, all of then made hundreds of years before the birth of Jesus and fulfilled to the letter in Jesus Christ, the Messiah.

George Heron, a French mathematician, calculated that the odds of one man fulfilling only 40 of those prophecies are 1 in 10 to the power of 157. That is a 1 followed by 157 zeros. Compare it to this; your odds on winning the state lottery are 14 followed by 6 zeros.

Another mathematician, Dr. Peter S. Ruckman, claims the odds of being fulfilled only 60 of them by the only person who claimed to be the Son of God, and who died on a "tree" on Calvary, and who rose the 3rd day are astronomical!... not just one in one trillion, but one out of ten to the 895th power. That is a one over a one followed by 895 zeros.

And still more, because every page of the Old Testament talks and prophecies and characterizes the coming of the Messiah, the Christ in Greek... so, there are actually thousands of prophecies on the coming of the Messiah, all of them fulfilled to the letter in Jesus Christ and His Church as they are shown in this site.

Philip found Nathanael and told him, "We have found the one Moses wrote about in the Law, and about whom the prophets also wrote--Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph. (Jn.1:45)

If you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me (Jn.5:46).

And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself. (Lk.24:27)

He said to them, This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms. (Lk.24:44).

He told them, This is what is written: The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, (Lk.24:46).

Prophecies and types of each book of the Bible fulfilled in Jesus Christ and His Church, a total of 1,093

92 Prophecies of the Psalms fulfilled in Jesus Christ

121 Prophecies of Isaiah fulfilled in Jesus Christ

Here are just 50 of those thousand Prophecies:

Ancestors:

1- The "seed of a woman": Genesis 3:15.... Galatians 4:4.Jesus was born of Virgin Mary without any man involved in His conception (Is.7:14, Mat.1:23, Lk.1:27).

- Gen.3:15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.

- Gal.4:4 But when the time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under law. (Luk.2:7; Rev.12:5)

2- Descendent of Abraham: Genesis 12:3, 18:18.... Acts 3:25, Matthew 1:1.- Gen. 18:18 Abraham will surely become a great and powerful nation and all nations on earth will be blessed through him. (Gen. 12:3)

- Act. 3:25 And you are heirs of the prophets and of the covenant God made with your fathers. He said to Abraham, "Through your offspring all peoples on earth will be blessed." (Mt.1:1; Lk.3:34)

3- Descendent of Isaac: Gen.17:19, Luc.3:34. - Gen.17:19 Then God said, "Yes, but your wife Sarah will bear you a son and you will call him Isaac. I will establish my covenant with him as an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him."

-Mt.1:2 Abraham was the father of Isaac, Isaac the father of Jacob, Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers. (Lk.3:34)

4- Descendent of Jacob: Numbers 24:17...... Luke 3:34, Matt.1:2. - Num.24:17 I see him, but not now; I behold him, but not near. A star will come out of Jacob; a scepter will rise out of Israel. He will crush the foreheads of Moab, the skulls of all the sons of Sheth.

- Lk.3:34 The son of Jacob, the son of Isaac, the son of Abraham, the son of Terah, the son of Nahor. (Mt.1:2)

5-- From the Tribe of Judah: Genesis 49:10, Luke 3:33. - Gen.49:10 The scepter will not depart from Judah, nor the ruler's staff from between his feet, until he comes to whom it belongs and the obedience of the nations is his.

- Lk.3:33 The son of Amminadab, the son of Ram, the son of Hezron, the son of Perez, the son of Judah. (Mt.1:2-3)

6- Hair of the Throne of David: Isaiah 9:7.... Luke 1:32-33. - Isa.9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David's throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever. The zeal of the Lord Almighty will accomplish this. (Isa.11:1-5; 2Sam.7:13)

- Luk.1:32-33: He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever; his kingdom will never end." (Mt.1:1, 1:6)

Birth and Childhood:

7- Born in Bethlehem: Micah 5:2.... Matthew 2:1.... Luke 2:4-7. - Mic.5:2 But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from ancient times.

- Mt.2:1 After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem. (Lk.2:4-7)

8- To be born of a Virgin: Isaiah 7:14, Matthew 1:18.... Luke 1:26-35. - Isa.7:14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.

- Mt.1:18 This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about: his mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit. (Lk.1:26-35)

9- Time of his birth: Daniel 9:25.... Luke 2:1:

- Dan.9:25 Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven "sevens" and sixty two "sevens." It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble.

- Lk 2:1-2 In those days Caesar Augustus issued a decree that a census should be taken of the entire Roman world. (This was the first census that took place while Quirinius was the governor of Syria.) (Lk 2:3-7)

- Mat.2:1 After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem

10- Slaughter of the Innocent children: Jeremiah 31:15.... Matthew 2:16-18.

- Jer.31:15 This is what the Lord says: "A voice is heard in Ramah, mourning and great weeping, Rachel weeping for her children and refusing to be comforted, because her children are no more."

- Mt.2:16 When Herod realized that he had been outwitted by the Magi, he was furious, and he gave orders to kill all the boys in Bethlehem and its vicinity who were two years old and under, in accordance with the time he had learned from the Magi. (Mt 2:16-18)

11- Flight to Egypt: Hosea 11:1.... Matthew 2:14-15. - Hos.11:1 When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son

- Mt.2:14 So he got up, took the child and his mother during the night and left for Egypt. (Mt 2:15)

12- He shall be called a Nazarene: Judges 13:5.... Matthew 2:23.- Jud.13:5 for the child shall be a Nazarite unto God

- Mt.2:23 And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene

Passion:

13- Triumphal entry in Jerusalem on a donkey: Zechariah 9:9.... John 12:13-14. - Zec.9:9 Rejoice greatly, O Daughter of Zion! Shout, Daughter of Jerusalem! See, your king comes to you, righteous and having salvation, gentle and riding on a donkey, on a colt, the foal of a donkey. (Isa.62:11)

- Jn.12:13-14 They took palm branches and went out to meet him, shouting, "Hosanna!" "Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!" "Blessed is the King of Israel!" Jesus found a young donkey and sat upon it, as it is written. (Mt.21:1-11; Jn.12:12, Mk.11:7-9.)

14- Entry through the "Golden Gate", that shall be shut for ever after his entrance: Ezekiel 44:1-2.... Mark 11:7-8.

On Palm Sunday Jesus entered Jerusalem through the Golden Gate. When you go to Jerusalem look at the Golden Gate, it is shut with stone and cement, and with a Muslim cemetery in its front, through which a Jewish Messiah will never pass.

- Ez.44:1-2 Then the man brought me back to the outer gate of the sanctuary, the one facing east, and it was shut. 2 The LORD said to me, "This gate is to remain shut. It must not be opened; no one may enter through it. It is to remain shut because the LORD , the God of Israel, has entered through it.

- Mk.11:7-8 When they brought the colt to Jesus and threw their cloaks over it, he sat on it. Many people spread their cloaks on the road, while others spread branches they had cut in the fields.

15- Betrayed by a friend, for 30 pieces of silver: Zechariah 11:12, Psalm 41:9... Mark 14:10, Matthew 26:14-15.- Ps.41:9 Even my close friend, whom I trusted, he who shared my bread, has lifted up his heel against me.

- Mk.14:10 Then Judas Iscariot, one of the Twelve, went to the chief priests to betray Jesus to them. (Mt.26:14-16; Mk.14:43-45)

- Zec.11:12 I told them, "If you think it best, give me my pay; but if not, keep it." So they paid me thirty pieces of silver. (Zec.11:13)

- Mt.26:15 And asked, "What are you willing to give me if I hand him over to you?" So they counted out for him thirty silver coins. (Mt 27:3-10)

16- Money to be returned for a potter's field:Zechariah 11:13.... Matthew 27:6-7. - Zec.11:13 And the Lord said to me, "Throw it to the potter"- the handsome price at which they priced me! So I took the thirty pieces of silver and threw them into the house of the Lord to the potter.

- Mt.27:6-7 The chief priests picked up the coins and said, "It is against the law to put this into the treasury, since it is blood money." So they decided to use the money to buy the potter's field as a burial place for foreigners. (Mt.27:3-5,8-10)

17- Judas's position to be taken by another: Psalm 109:7-8.... Acts 1:18-20. - Ps.109:7-8 When he is tried, let him be found guilty, and may his prayers condemn him. May his days be few; may another take his place of leadership

- Act.1:18-20 (With the reward he got for his wickedness, Judas bought a field; there he fell headlong, his body burst open and all his intestines spilled out. Everyone in Jerusalem heard about this, so they called that field in their language Akeldama, that is, Field of Blood.) "For, " said Peter, "It is written in the book of Psalms, "'May his place be deserted; let there be no one to dwell in it,' and, "'May another take his place of leadership.'" (Ac 1:16-17)

18- Accused by false witnesses: Psalms .27:12, 35:11.... Mt 26:60-61, Mk.14:57.- Ps.27:12 Do not turn me over to the desire of my foes, for false witnesses rise up against me, breathing out violence. (Ps.35:11)

- Mt.26:60-61 But they did not find any, though many false witnesses came forward. Finally two men came forward and declared, "This fellow said, 'I am able to destroy the temple of God and rebuild it in three days.'"

19- Silent to accusations: Isaiah 53:7.... Matthew 26:62-63, Mark.15:4-5. - Isa.53:7 He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth. (Ps.38:13-14)

- Mt 26:62-63 Then the high priest stood up and said to Jesus, "Are you not going to answer? What is this testimony that these men are bringing against you?" But Jesus remained silent. The high priest said to him, "I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Christ, the Son of God!" (Mt 27:12-14, Mk.15:4-5)

20 - Spat and struck: Isaiah 50:6, Matthew 26:67. - Isa.50:6 I offered my back to those who beat me, my cheeks to those who pulled out my beard; I did not hide my face from mocking and spitting.

- Mk.14:65 Then some began to spit at him; they blindfolded him struck him with their fists, and said, "Prophesy!" And the guards took him and beat him. (Mt.26:27, Mk.15:17; Jn 19:1-3; 18:22)

21- Hated without reason: Psalms 69:4, 35:19, 109:3-5.... John.15:24-25. - Ps 69:4 Those who hate me without reason outnumber the hairs of my head; many are my enemies without cause, those who seek to destroy me. I am forced to restore what I did not steal. (Ps.35:19, 109:3-5)

- Jn.15:23-25 He who hates me hates my Father as well. If I had not done among them what no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin. But now they have seen these miracles, and yet they have hated both me and my Father. But this is to fulfill what is written in their Law: "They hated me without reason."

22- Soldiers divided his garments and gambled for his clothing: Psalm 22:18... Matt.27:35 (2 Prophecies) - Ps 22:18 They divide my garments among them and cast lots for my clothing.

- Mt.27:35 And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots (Mk.15:24).

23- Crucified, "pierced through hands and feet":Zechariah 12:10, Psalm 22:16.... Matthew 27:35, John 20:27. - Ps.22:16 Dogs have surrounded me; a band of evil men has encircled me, they have pierced my hands and my feet. (Zec.12:10)

- Mt.27:35 And they crucified him.

- Jn. 20:25-26 Now Thomas (called Didymus)... he said to them, "Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe it." (Jn.19:37, 20:27)

24- Crucified with malefactors: Isaiah 53:12.... Mark 15:27-28. - Isa.53:12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great, and he will divide the spoils with the strong, because he poured out his life unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors. For he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

- Mt 27:38 Two robbers were crucified with him, one on his right and one on his left. (Mk 15:27-28; Lk 23:33)

25- Agonized in Thirst: Psalm 22:15.... John 19:28.- Ps.22:15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death.

- Jn.19:28 After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.

26- Given gall and vinegar: Psalm 69:21.... Matthew 27:34, 48, John 19:19.

- Ps.69:21 They put gall in my food and gave me vinegar for my thirst.

- Mat.27:34 They gave him vinegar to drink mingled with gall: and when he had tasted thereof, he would not drink (Jn.19:29, Mat.27:48).

27- No bones broken: Psalm 34:20.... John 19:32-36. - Ps 34:20 He protects all his bones, not one of them will be broken. (Ex 12:46)

- Jn 19:33 But when they came to Jesus and found that he was already dead, they did not break his legs.

28- His side pierced: Zechariah 12:10.... John 19:34. - Zec.12:10 They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.

- Jn 19:34 Instead, one of the soldiers pierced Jesus' side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water.

29- Deserted by God: Psalm 22:1.... Matthew 27:46.

- Ps.22:1 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?

- Mat.27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

30- Vicarious Sacrifice:Isaiah 53:4-5, 6, 12.... Matthew 8:16-17, Romans 4:25, 5:6-8, 1 Corinthians 15:3.

- Isa.53:4-5 Surely he took up our infirmities and carried our sorrows, yet we considered him stricken by God, smitten by him, and afflicted. But he was pierced for transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed. (Is. 53:6, 12)

- Mt.8:16-17 When evening came, many who were demon-possessed were brought to him, and he drove out the spirits with a word and healed all the sick. This was to fulfill what was spoken through the prophet Isaiah: "He took up our infirmities and carried our diseases." (Ro 4:25, 5:6-8, 1Cor 15:3)

31- Buried with the rich: Isaiah 53:9, Matthew 27:57-60.- Isa.53:9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death, though he had done no violence, nor was any deceit in his mouth.

- Mt.27:57-60 As evening approached, there came a rich man from Arimathea, named Joseph, who had himself become a disciple of Jesus. Going to Pilate, he asked for Jesus' body, and Pilate ordered that it be given to him. Joseph took the body, wrapped it in a clean linen cloth, and placed it in his own new tomb that he had cut out of the rock. He rolled a big stone in front of the entrance to the tomb and went away

32- Deserted by his followers: Zechariah 13:7.... Mark 14:27.

- Zec.13:7 smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.

- Mk.14:27 And Jesus saith unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered.

33- Time of his death: Daniel 9:25.... Luke 2:1, Matthew 2:1:

- Doing the proper computations, the Messiah was supposed to die on April 3, of the year 33 AC (Open Bible pag.833)

34- Resurrection of Jesus: Hosea 6:2, Psalms 16:10, 49:15..... Luke 24:6-7, Mark.16:6-7.- Hos.6:2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

- Lk.24:6-7 He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee, Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.

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35- Other dead raised with Him: Isaiah 26:19, Ezekiel 37:7-10..... Matthew 27:52-53.- Isa.26:19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

- Ez.37:7-10 So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone. And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them. Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live. So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.

- Mat.27:52-53 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

36- Ascension to Heaven: Psalms 68:18, 24:3.....Lk 24:50-51, Acts 1:11, Mk.16:19. - Ps.68:18 Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the LORD God might dwell among them.

- Ps.24:3 Who shall ascend into the hill of the LORD? or who shall stand in his holy place?

- Lk 24:50-51 When he had led them out to the vicinity of Bethany, he lifted up his hands and blessed them. While he was blessing them, he left them and was taken up into heaven

- Act.1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

37- Christ at the Right hand of the Father: Psalm 110:1..... Hebrews 1:2,3.- Ps.110:1 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

- Heb.1:2,3 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Ministry:

38- The way prepared by John the Baptist: Isaiah 40:3,5.... John 1:23, Luke 3:3-6. - Isa.40:3 The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.

- Jn.1:23 He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Isaiah

39- Preceded by a forerunner: Mal.3:1, Luk.7:24-27.

40- Preceded by Elijah: Mal.4:5-6, Matt.11:13-14.

41- Declared the Son of God: Ps.2:7, Matt.3:17.

42- Galilean Ministry: Is.9:1-2, Matt.4:13-16.

43- Speaks in Parables: Ps.78:2-4, Matt.13:34-35.

44- A Prophet: Deut.18:15, Jn.6:14, Acts 3:20-22.

45- Priest after the Order of Melchizedek: Ps.110:4, Heb.5:5-6.

46- To bind up the brokenhearted: Is.61:1-2, Luk.4:18-19.

47- Rejected by his own people, the Jews: Is.53:3, John 1:11.

48- Not believed: Is.53:1, John 12:37.

49- Adored by infants: Ps.8:2, Matt.21:15--16.50- Anointed and eternal: Ps.45:6-7, Heb.1:8-12.

These are just a few reasons why I believe that the bible is God's holy word.

Here are just a few prophecies which have come true, out of hundreds or even thousands. The first verse which makes the prediction is hundreds or even thousands of years older than it's fulfilment. Many of these predictions about Jesus were written through different men. Wouldn't that greatly increase the risk that there would be contradiction? Because God told them what to write, there was no contradiction.

 

Why is it that you continually quote your fairytales at us?

 

Frodo:

Thank you for helping me with this problem, but I'm afraid I don't understand. You said that in order for you to answer my question, I have to believe in God and the Bible. Why? The question is still the same even when I do believe in God, and I don't expect to necessarily believe your answer, but I'd like to see it answered accurately and in plain English by an informed Christian; that might help dissuade any negative associations I might have with the religion.

I read through most of the scripture you posted, and didn't come to any conclusion to my question ... perhaps you can point it out a little clearer?

 

You've asked me this question:

My question is ... why, if I don't believe in God/Jesus exactly as the Bible dictates, would I be sentenced to eternal damnation?


My answer is yes you would go to hell. First of all did you read this post? It should answer that for you already.

My answer for you is this:

You and I are sinners.

Ro 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Because of our sins we die both spritually and physically:

Ro 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: {for that: or, in whom}

Notice here that the second death is being thrown into the lake of fire:

Re 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

We sin against God which makes us imperfect. God is perfect and cannot allow imperfection to come into heaven or it will corrupt it. The problem is that we can never be perfect. So God sent His Son Jesus Christ to live a perfect life on earth, then die in your and my place. He then rose from the dead 3 days later and went to heaven and gave all of His blood to God the Father for an offering for our sins. We can't be good to get to heaven because we are already sinners. If we could be good to get to heaven, then Jesus Christ wouldn't have needed to die on the cross and suffer for our sins. You cannot get into heaven on your own because it is Jesus Christ's righteousness that gets you in, not your own. All you can do is accept what He did for you on the cross. If you don't then you will have to pay for your sins yourself by going to hell. My answer is that you must believe on the name of Jesus Christ for salvation.

Jesus Christ Himself said this:

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
(KJV)

First John says this:

1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

It's NOT about how good you are. It's about receiving what Jesus Christ did on the cross to pay for your sins.

Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: {power: or, the right, or, privilege}

Him is Jesus Christ. Where does it say being good gets you into heaven? We can't be good enough. We can't get there by going to church. We can't get there by being baptized. We can ONLY Get there by accepting Jesus Christ as Savior and confessing Him as our Savior with our mouths before men. That is the reason that I put the prayer on there. Read the very beggining of this post, entitled "How to get to heaven when you die". It clearly explains this very question. Go to the begginning of this post and pray that prayer from your heart to God and mean it with all of your heart. He will save you. Give Jesus Christ a chance. I guarentee that you will never regret it.

 

Jesus Christ -"I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and Spirit."

When they asked, "What shall we do?" Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ said, "Repent and be baptized." (Acts 2:38)

I am sorry, but by simplying confessing that you are aware that Christ died for your sins, does NOT mean you are saved. All it means is that you have repented and confessed.

 

Baptism does NOT save.

Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

You fail to understand this verse. It doesn't say that baptism saves. Look at the explanation of the verse. That which is born of flesh is flesh (water represents fleshly birth, the mother's womb contains water), that which is born of Spirit is spirit (Spiritual birth)

Mr 1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. {for: or, unto}

Lu 3:3 And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;

As far as baptism saving you, it is the baptism of repentence that saves, not water baptism. The baptism is an outward showing of what happens when you accept Jesus Christ as your Savior. It is NOT salvation, nor is it part of it. It is a believer's act of obedience.

Mr 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
(KJV)

Look at this verse. At first glance it appears as though baptism saves. But it says "He that believeth not shall be damned." He is not damned for not being baptized.

1Pe 3:21 ¶ The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
(KJV)

The baptism being talked about is a good concience toward God not water baptism. It says "not the putting away of the filth of the flesh" but what? "a good conscience toward God"

Here are verses regarding Salvation:

Ac 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Where is baptism mentioned here for Salvation.

1Co 1:17 ¶ For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. {words: or, speech}
(KJV)

What did it just say?

Ro 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Where is baptism mentioned here?

Ro 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Where is baptism mentioned here?

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

It says it is by grace through faith, not baptism.

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
(KJV)

It says whosoever believeth in Him. Where is baptism meantioned here?

If baptism were necessary for salvation surely it would have been mentioned in these important passages.

You cannot possess the Holy Ghost unless you are saved right?

Ac 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

They were already saved and possessed the Holy Ghost and they had not been baptized yet.

Ga 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Where is baptism mentioned here?

Mr 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.

I believe that some of those verses that you believe are talking about water baptism are actually talking about being baptized with the Holy Ghost.

Ro 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
(KJV)

Baptism is not mentioned here.

Joh 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

The Door is Jesus Christ. We enter in by accepting Him.

Re 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

We open the door by receiving Him, what He did on the cross for us to pay for our sins. Baptism is an act of obedience. It is a public profession of faith.

Lu 23:42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

This theif couldn't be baptized and Jesus Christ told him what? Today thou shalt be with me in paradise. Because He asked Jesus to save him. He received what Jesus did for Him.

Ac 8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

What was the requirement for Him to be baptized? He has to believe. Baptism is for believer's only. Believer's are already Saved.

1Jo 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

If believing means that you know that you have eternal life, where is baptism mentioned here?

It is very clear that baptism is NOT for salvation but an act of obedience. It is an ordinaince just as communion is.

 

Yet, without obedience to the Lord, one STILL lacks salvation.

More importantly than water baptism is the baptism of the Holy Spirit, which the mainstream Christianity that you preach lacks. Without the possession of Christ's spirit, one cannot enter into Heaven.

I am sorry, but I have to agree with what is being said. This does sound like mainstream Christian propoganda. Mainstream Christianity is quite far from Christ.

Anyone can believe in Christ. Not everyone who does is saved. That is a false message.

 

What does it mean to "believe in" something? Is your experience of the divine the same as your neighbors experience? We each view reality through the lens of ourselves. Our experiences filter the sensory data we recieve from the world so that each of us has a unique perspective. If you each have different experiences of the divine, can you ever really say that you believe the same way? Hence, either everyone has the same God regardless of how they percieve it or everyone has their own personal, individual God. In truth, both perspectives are correct.

If I say that Jesus and Ceridwen, and Bhuddha, and Astarte, and Lisa, from down the street are all ultimately the same being (the Alpha and the Omega) and that I love them all, am I not following the commandments set forth in the Bible? I put no God before any other, nor behind any other because they are all the same. The Earth is God and the Sky is God and the Word is God and the Light is God and you are God. How can you not come to God by any way other than Jesus, if Jesus IS God? How can I not come to God through Bob, since Bob is also Jesus and also God and also me? God IS. Just as you and I ARE.

Where in the Bible does it define what God is NOT?

If you believe in nothing, then you believe in God. If you believe in everything, then you believe in God. Everyone comes to God through Jesus (even if they have never heard if Him) because we are all Jesus. And we are all Satan. And we fight ourselves and make moral determinations and judge ourselves and each other and delude ourselves into believing that we are separate so that we may love each other and hate each other. We are a constantly expanding sphere with no circumference and no center, and an infinite number of 'I's (eyes?). From your pespective, perhaps, you see the world through only two eyes, but yours are two of that infinite number. Even so, if you spend all your time removing the specks from the eyes of those around you, you will never get that great plank out of your own, and your monocular vision will leave you with only a two-dimensional view of a universe with infinite dimensions. This is why you think that your way to God is the only way... it's all you can see.

 

ONE WAY JESUS!
every other road leads to nowhere!

 

That's what I said.

It's too bad that you can only see your little part of the road. All roads are one road. If you set your foot on a road (any road) and ask the divine within yourself to guide you, the voice will never answer "Oh, well, you can't get there from here."

 

thats thing i did!
i ASKED MY SAVIOUR!!!!!
i did not know god and i asked god for direction in my life,so other many roads i chose before him and i ended up flat on my face and lost,there was no direction in my life.
it was only when i alowed jesus christ in that life actually found purpose

 

Frodo:

Thanks for answering my question. =) You did a good, thorough job; I'm impressed.

Unfortunately, it leads me to a couple more which I'd like to ask now ...

(1) Why are we punished for the sins of our ancestors? How can God justifiably send us off to eternal torture when we individually have not (purposefully) sinned against him? Certainly, we all sin unintentionally, but we confess these sins and try to stop ourselves from sinning unintentionally by seeking enlightenment and knowledge (which will ultimately lead us to morality so that we may not sin against God, even unintentionally). Since God is all-knowing, he must understand this. So I guess my question is, why are we punished for things we didn't do?

(2) Why should I want to go to heaven? I believe in taking responsibility for my actions; that is the just, noble, and right thing to do. If I am born into inherited sin, then I must take responsibility for that sin, and I must accept my fate and banishment into hell.

Even if Jesus willingly was a scapegoat for us (noble is He, then), how should we be let into heaven for being so cowardly that we would use him as that scapegoat and let him die for our sins? How, then, should our cowardly, imperfect selves be let into the grand Kingdom, and risk its corruption?

My apologies for all the questioning; please have patience with me.

 

Oops !!!

Don't be too impressed ... it seems that Frodo is not being himself, i.e., he's taking the research of someone else and making it appear as if it's his own ...

Posts 300 and 301 are really copies of http://biblia.com/jesusbible/prophecies.htm ... I think the word, since no credit was given for where the text was copied from is ... uhm ... plagiarism ???

Darrell

 

Plagarism is only a bad thing to people who value original thought. To people who let others do their thinking for them, accusing them of plagarism means nothing. It only separates you out as an original thinker - and therefore, most likely damned (despite what's Written, it seems that even those who give the disposition of their souls over to their spiritual leaders still feel qualified to judge the souls of anyone who disagrees with them).

It's sad, but true. Disagree with a fundamentalist over what the meaning of the scripture is (it doesn't matter how ambiguous the language is, only that your interperetation is different from theirs),and they will judge you and find that you're bound for hell. There is no gray are in their interperetation - they've been told what to believe, and that's that.