How To Argue For Gun Control.

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Maccabee, Jul 27, 2016.

  1. wilsjane

    wilsjane Nutty Professor HipForums Supporter

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    People who use the argument that they need to protect themselves from armed criminals are missing one important point.
    If carrying a gun was illegal as it is in the UK, police would be able to lock up the armed criminals before they even committed the crime. That is why the vast majority of criminals in the UK would not want a gun even if they were offered one for free.
     
  2. broony

    broony Banned

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    Of course we can.

    Socialism doesn't want you to think you can. Thats the whole purpose. One has the same as all. Works great for CEO's

    If you don't think a people in greater numbers can over throw the top 1% is just foolish.

    Problems take years or even decades to come full circle.

    Don't think that in our lifetime a sleeping giant aint waking up.
     
  3. broony

    broony Banned

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    If a populous can't defend themselves it leads to tyranny. That leads to civil war if those can defend themselves.

    If you don't defend yourself you forgot how human history works.

    If you are against defending yourself your asking future generations to get fucked cause you didn't handle something cause you believe it wouldn't happen again, or to us.

    Sorry you don't live in fairy land.

    I bet the Jews would have loved to own guns when the Nazis came to take the children from the familys before both burned burned to ashes.

    Think history can't repeat? Don't defend and keep lying to yourself.
     
  4. broony

    broony Banned

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    The UK is corrupt as fuck.
     
  5. broony

    broony Banned

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    In the UK soon it will be illegal to hold a butter knife.
     
  6. pensfan13

    pensfan13 Senior Member

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    I have no fucking clue what the fuck you are talking about.
    This whole quote littorally makes no sense to me. You assumed I was a Republican and I am telling you I vote for dems. reps. And several 3rd party options including write ins. I even voted for myself one year. Tell me your point and I will address it. However don't tell me I am wrong in some cryptic roundabout way that dosnt mention why I am wrong.
     
  7. broony

    broony Banned

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    Liberalism is a disease.
     
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  8. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    [SIZE=11pt]Art[/SIZE]

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    [SIZE=11pt]The problem, as I see it here, is that many of those I’ve talked to that oppose gun control also support free market thinking and policies that greatly serve the interests of the 1% (and even more the 0.01%) and make them more power and influential to the detriment of all other groups.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=11pt]I’m very much in favour of curtailing the power of the 1% but I don’t think terrorism is the way to go since it is likely to be counterproductive to me the best way would be through the enactment of more ‘socialist’ policies of taxation and redistribution, but as I’ve said many gun owners seem very opposed to such ideas.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=11pt][/SIZE]
    [SIZE=11pt]Please read the thread – this has already been covered numerous times at length and in detail – I will give you a short version but if you wish to try and address it please first read the thread.[/SIZE]

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    As several people here have implied here at one time or another the holocaust may never have happened if the Jews had been armed.

    The problem is that the German people had been taught the Jews were dangerous. So what if some of them had fired on the police that had come to take them away, do you think the German people would have seen this as justified and come to their defence or just seem it as proof the Jews were indeed dangerous and needed locking away?

    Think about US history, did the Native American that fought back, get the support of the American citizenry? What if the US citizens of Japanese descent had resisted the unconstitutional internment imposed on them, and what if they had shot at the police would they have got general popular support? What about these hauled in front of McCarthy, would people rallied to them if they had refused to go before such a witch hunts and opened fire on those that came to take them?


    And what about the thousands of black people murdered by the KKK and other racists why didn’t the decent and good white people of those areas protect the black people being abused, they had access to guns, they had votes, they filled juries, they could have done a lot to stop what was happening, why didn’t they?
     
  9. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    Anyway it seems to me that if you strip the rhetoric away from the protection from government argument, put forward by many of those opposed to gun control - all that stuff about ‘freedom’ and ‘tyranny’ - what you have left is a rather small group of people (that are mainly right wing) saying they want guns so they can become terrorists if a democratically elected group tries to enact democratically chosen policies that they don’t like.
     
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  10. wilsjane

    wilsjane Nutty Professor HipForums Supporter

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    What gives you that idea. We pay our members of parliament less than the manager at a supermarket and one of them was sent to prison for over claiming £200 expenses. Government money requires tenders for all projects and the fact that national industry cannot use long term trusted suppliers is the reason that our rail network is falling apart. If I was a minister and claimed expenses for a pint of milk for the office tea, I would be probably end up locked up for giving some of it to the cat. Can you suggest a country that is less corrupt than the UK. LOL
     
  11. Maccabee

    Maccabee Luke 22:35-38

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    It wasn't for long before people scattered and sought cover providing less targets. The shooter was less than 1% in hitting his target.

    Then you should know about suppressive fire and the role of machine gunner.
     
  12. Maccabee

    Maccabee Luke 22:35-38

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    They werent the ones protesting the removal of the statue. The modern KKK is a far cry from its heyday. Now they're just a bunch of idiots troping around in bed sheets.

    Because some racists are fine people.
     
  13. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    Mac

    You mean the ‘harmless’ KKK the longest and deadliest domestic terror organisations in US history? I mean “4,000 black people were publicly murdered in the U.S. between 1877 and 1950” many at the hands of the KKK, I think the last death of a black man involving KKK members was in 1981.


    A racist is a racist the modern Nazis’ don’t go around in brown shirts (or not most of them) and many KKK supporters don’t go around in bed sheets but so what as I’ve said these people have not changed their views or attitudes and would go back to murder (as the KKK did) if they could get away with it.

    so why do you seem to be saying that you think some of them are ‘fine’ people?

    As I’ve said it’s that old question of does evil, think it is evil. I mean many people that organised the holocaust thought of themselves as refined and cultured, I’m sure even some of the guards filling the gas chambers at Auschwitz thought of themselves as ‘fine’ people.

    I mean if unchecked the logical conclusion to racist ideas are never good and it seems to me that the main way racism is checked is not to say it is fine to be a racist.

    To me racism is irrational and unreasonable but then you seem happy to accept the irrational and unreasonable in relation to gun control so maybe that’s why you seem to think racists are fine people.
     
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  14. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Yeah, he only managed to kill 58 and wound 546 in 10 minutes from 490 yards away.

    Yes, I know how suppression fire works, you educated me. It's the noise of rapid fire, not the fear of being hit by lots of bullets. Just the noise.
     
  15. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Mac,
    Society has it's problems. I think we can agree on that.

    As far as gun violence, your solution seems to be for everyone to own guns, machine guns preferably as you can't hit anything with a machine gun anyway....but they do make a lot of noise.
    By following this tactic, gun violence will cease.

    On the Nazi subject, you feel there are many racists (Nazis) who are fine people, just like Trump.
    The KKK is just a bunch of idiots (I agree) and if we ignore them they will just be happy to burn crosses on someone's lawn and drink a little beer. What's a little bonfire on some African American's lawn anyway, can't they take a joke?
    Sorta like a puppy chewing on my bedroom slipper. They mean no harm, just good old boys having a good old time.
    By following this tactic you seem to think racism will disappear.

    I don't think you will ever change your mind on these subjects.
     
  16. soulcompromise

    soulcompromise Member HipForums Supporter

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    Disagree. Racism is a huge problem in society. This speaks volumes about your character. You think that it's ok to be prejudice, but it's not.

    On the issue of gun control I've read through many of the supposed arguments you have for guns. I tend to agree with other posters who stand up for better gun control. Particularly in the wake of the massacre in Las Vegas, I think it's easy to see why we need to implement serious measure to limit the type of gun (or bumpstock) that is available to those who would purchase them.
     
  17. Maccabee

    Maccabee Luke 22:35-38

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    That doesn't go for all racists. Some wouldn't hurt a fly even if given the chance. They just think that certain people are superior to others. It's how we Americans KNOW for a fact that we're better than you Brits. That doesn't mean we want to kill you.

    Which is a false equivalence. The neo nazis of today aren't gassing Jews and in no way am I condoning murder. As long it's just an opinion, people can be fine otherwise.

    I never said racist ideas are good. I said some racist people are good in every aspect except their racist ideology. I never even said that most racists are good oeople. Besides, all this is based on a hypothetical to had President Trump meant that some of the racists at the rally were good and that everyone protesting the statue wer neo nazis.

    Where on earth did you get that from my post?
     
  18. Maccabee

    Maccabee Luke 22:35-38

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    Which was 1% of the crowd there.

    That's an exaggeration to what I said and you know it.
     
  19. Maccabee

    Maccabee Luke 22:35-38

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    President Trump is neither a nazi nor racist.

    Burning stuff on someone else's lawn without persmission is tresspassing and arson which bkth are illegal and should be dealt with as such.
     
  20. Maccabee

    Maccabee Luke 22:35-38

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    I never said prejudice is ok. Also every human being enough to comprehend the world is prejudice in some form or fashion.

    And do you have evidence such implications will work?
     
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