How sick is this?

i dont blame them either. israel has no right being there, but they are there. and all of a sudden forcing jews out will not solve any problems

 

It would solve a lot of problems. It will never happen, though. It's almost silly to even talk about.

 

The best thing we can do for Israeli Jews is to save them from their own racist tyranny.

Save Israeli Jews from the bitter harvest their sowing for themselves.

And even if their tiny little cemetary plot doesn't become their collective grave, the State of Israel is still poisoning the humanity of their own citizens.

Yes, and thanks to the example of America, how many racist tyrannies begin with the confidence that achieving a fait-accompli will prove irreversable?

Let's at least acknowledge the racist injustice of the European Colony called America.

But we can't even do that.

Instead, America prefers to support the Apartheid Settler State of Israel, because America was also created by dispossessing the Indigenous Peoples of their home.

Apartheid was dismantled in South Africa, and now the Israeli Apartheid State must also be dismantled.

Or it will happen again and again. Only next time it might be happening to you and your family. Then you might wish to sing a different tune.

Remember how ten thousand Anglo-Saxons created an Apartheid State over a million Celtic Britons.

What other underlying problems are there in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict other than the racist dipossession of the Palestinians by the Israeli State of European Jews?

I'm sure you don't mean the underlying psycho-dynamics, because those underlying root causes touch all of our lives in ways so profound as to be beyond the scope of this narrow discussion.

I agree, it would solve alot of problems.

However, talking about the principle of reversing injustice is not silly; it's important that we DO talk about it.

By not talking about it, we reinforce a self-image of self-defeating impotence.

If we don't talk about reversing this injustice now, it will only diminish the credibility of any attempt at initiating a public discourse about any injustice in the future.

 

disregard previous.

 

I think some people secretly get enjoyment and satisfaction out of talking about these types of political issues and would be a little bit dissapointed if peace ever did come.

 

it's fucking sick when there are kids involved doing this sick shit. i feel ashamed to be a member of the human race when i see shit like this.

 

Israel is an american welfare state. We finance their wars and antagonize their neighbors. The basis of it being religion. Fundy nutbars believe there MUST be a war in the middle east for jebus to come back and rapture them to heaven.

 

there is a long history of sending messages on bombs. i read a big post-modern article about that (as well as attaching pornography to them) - i'll see if i can dig it out of the 'ol school textbook.

 

yeah its a shame we can't make any money from this stuff otherwise we'd be as rich as the men who start wars

 

i know this will never happen but i had an idea about the conflict
first get a resolution by the un general assembly to send in peace keepers to the country. second, dismantle the current israeli state and enforce the un resolution allowing the right of return. finally, create a new secular state with the same government style as the old israeli govt.(i like it, very democratic)

 

The children writing on the bombs is nothing new.

During the Suez crisis in November 1956, British servicemen wrote:'Nasser's Rock 'n' Roll' on the shells to be dropped on the Egyptians.
The Americans named the first Atom Bomb dropped on Hiroshima: 'Fat Boy'.

I think Israel vs. Syria ,Gaza,Lebanon is like Ulster vs Eire.In the end its only a diplomatic solution that will build a lasting peace.Not bombing the terrorist 'Hisbollah' out of their bunkers & killing innocent civilians in the process.In the end everyone needs to share all the land of Israel & Palestine.
Irish Catholics are not barred from a sectarian Ulster(or vice versa).Therefore Palestinians should not be barred from a sectarian Israel.
The British government under Margaret(forgive me swearing)Thatcher said "We'll never talk to terrorists" but John Major had open dialogue with the I.R.A./Sinn Fein.The 'Good Friday' accords opened the window of opportunity.

If President Bush was a statesman he would set up third party contacts with 'Hisbollah' 'Hamas' et al & relay propsals to Israeli Prime Minister Olmert,then thrash out a negotiated settlement, but Bush is not a statesman,he is a 'plunderer'.His mentality reminds me of LBJ's tactics during the Vietnam War.

 

Skip

Yes the two are very similar (the European expansion into the US and the right wing zionist expansion into ‘greater Israel) and ‘manifest destiny’ had a similar ideological foundation as ‘chosen people chosen land’.

But what I’m trying to say is that it is silly to try and talk of ‘removing’ the Jews from the Middle East it is very unlikely to work. I believe that there is about 5-6 million of them there and the Israeli government are believed to have control of some 200 nuclear warheads and delivery system that could take out a far portion of the middle east and Europe.

The key is the US and it’s policy in relation to Israeli government the fact is that it is only able to continue it’s land grab because the US subsidises other areas of it’s economy.

Ashiya

I’ve brought up the Northern Ireland question before and had to point out that many American citizens helped finance the IRA’s activities.

And imagine what the response would have been from the US government and people if the UK government had decided to bomb Dublin from the air for not dealing with the IRA personnel that used to operate from within Eire?

 

I'm gonna say this, take it or leave it:

Although it's important to understand history, be realistic. The whole "The Jews stole the land in 1948, so the Palestinians should steal it back now," mentality doesn't work. It's not realistic. Both peoples are there in Israel. I'm not saying I have a solution, but I am saying that the kicking the Jews out situation won't work. Ever.

 

thats not any different than what americans did during WWII.

 

Yeah...it doesn't make it any less sick....

 

IM not saying it is any less sick.

its the way of the world. everyone is makin out that isreal is such a bad bullying country, when they all do this!

 

I don't recall ever seeing young CHILDREN writing on bombs in pictures from WW II, but I could be wrong.

Please. Kids writing on bombs doesn't highlight a fraction of Israel's evil, it's just a symptom of this evil.

 

You all must realize that Kiryat Shmona is the northen-most Israeli city. These people are being bombed by the Hizbollah even when there is no "war". See the irony of girls writing this message?

I personally do not see the point in it, just like I do not see the point of writing anything inhumane on bombs...

But who knows, maybe one of them will fall on Nasrallah,

If I believed in a god, then I would pray to him that that would happen.

 

So people who know they are being purposely bombed keeping civilian women and children in specific area's to raise the body count is not sick? Hiding behind U.N. officals and wearing civilian clothing is not wrong?

I'm not saying I agree with the aforementioned statements - I am just making a point. Neither side is innocent in this matter.

Unfortunately in order to win a war, body count does matter and it's always disproportionate. Look at American's in WWII to the Japanese. Millions of Japanese to America's thousands? That's hardly fair. Now look in the European theatre - the dead Germans/axis' were higher than the allies (not including the USSR). By everyone's logic in the matter, we should have pitied the Germans and Japanese. Even though they were trying to kill us. Hitler was setting up talks with Mexico at one point. You never hear about that.

I am actually neutral in this matter of Israel/Lebanon (I don't agree with the loss of life on either side though). I just want to raise these points to people's attention. Sort of playing devil's advocate.