how september 11 has changed me

Discussion in 'America Attacks!' started by james q, Aug 21, 2005.

  1. james q

    james q Uranian

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    the following is an excerpt from my last bar one post to u balbus which u have so far studiously avoided. please consider and please respond:

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    u say that this is not good enough 4 u yet u know q a bit about me and i know fuck all about u. just so we have some balance in this please tell us how u describe urself politically and why. i'm sure the ppl reading this thread are most interested to learn as am i.
     
  2. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    Dear James (or whatever)

    My questioning is mainly to try and find out what were your political views and how they have changed (due to you damascene revelation).

    You have admitted that your “views are in the process of changing big time” and that is hard for you to “describe the changes or say precisely what they are”.

    There seems little point in continuing the discussion on how your views have changed when you don’t have a clue if or in what way they have changed.

    As to the post 21 I’m unsure what reply you are looking for? If you explain I’ll do my best.

    PS are you saying that only gay people can have chutzpah because I know some people that seem to have it that are not gay and some gay people that don’t, although they don’t seem less gay because of the lack?
     
  3. Mellow Yellow

    Mellow Yellow Electrical Banana

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    911 didn't change my ideals much, just made me more afraid of the Bush Administration. I for one believe in the Conspiracy Theory that the Bush Administration somehow orchestrated the whole thing. Not directly mind you, but they seemed to have known about it in advance, yet they did nothing to prevent it. Bush's popularity was at an all-time low prior to 911, so they needed something to happen as catalist for furthering their agenda, and what better way to do that than to instill fear into the American people, fear=manipulation. It was interesting that the Bin Laden family were the only people permitted in the air so soon after 911. Redirect the threat of terrorism toward Saddam Hussein and Iraq, and now you've got a war. I never would've believed it could've gone to such an extreme, but it did.

    The chain of events following 911 did change me somewhat though. When Bush first ran, I voted for Nader, since I didn't like either candidate. When he ran for his second term, however, I voted against him (for Kerry), not for whom I felt would do the best job as President. In hindsight, though, I'm kinda glad Bush won, 'cause now he and his administration are more likely to be held accountable for the horrendous situation they created. I just hope there is some way to get back what our Founding Fathers had envisioned when they wrote the Constitution...
     
  4. james q

    james q Uranian

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    quite simple really balbus. i have three outstanding issues with u:

    1. i asked u 'are u gay? how would u know how it feels to come out, or in, or be shaken all about as u put it?'.

    2. i asked u to tell us 'how would u describe urself politically and why?'i'm sure many here want to know and many curious ppl would no doubt like to ask u a question or two. that can't be hard 4 u to understand. it's the very same question u have been hounding me with for several days now.

    3. i asked u to read my post, which i reposted again as u avoided talking about it, and respond. in this post i proposed some ground rules for us asking each other questions. i'd also like to hear from u about why u didn't read my post then complained i hadn't answered u.

    i do see u have a thing about ppl answering u promptly. so do i. i shall look forward to your prompt reply.
     
  5. james q

    james q Uranian

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    just for the record: it's been two and a half days since i put these three questions to balbus and balbus hasn't answered, yet i always answered his questions promptly (even if he didn't read them). i also note he has visited these forums at least twice since my questions were posted and has chosen not to respond. like the bully i believe him to be, he faints at the sight of his own blood.

    never let me hear balbus again demand answers from anyone about anything. and never let him needle or hound another poor bastard again over his or her views, however way-out or way-in those views happen to be. there is no place here for bullying, disrespectful and intimidating behaviour. we can disagree with each other but we must always try to be nice.

    have a happy ole day y'all.
     
  6. AannaSolo

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    I am now more deeply impressed with the demolition skills of the CIA...

    I did cry on the day however.
     
  7. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    James q

    Oh I’ve been away so I’ve only just returned to this thread.

    First up, this post is dated the 8-26-05 my last post before returning was also the 8-26-05 to the moderators forum, informing people I was going to be away as it turned out I was away longer than I had planned.

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    You want to know if I’m gay?

    Why is it that for a simple political question you feel that you should demand to know a person’s sexual orientation?

    I never asked you about your sexual orientation when I was asking you about you political views, why would I, it wouldn’t seem to be relative to the questions being asked. It was you that brought the subject up. As I said when you did I just don’t care if you are gay or not because it still doesn’t seem relevant to the questions I’ve raised.

    So why is it that you are demanding to know what my own sexual orientation is? Are you saying that you cannot talk to me about you political views without knowing if I’m gay or not?

    Why are you making such a big deal about something that doesn’t seem relevant to the subject of this thread, which is “how september 11 has changed me”, unless you are claiming that September 11 changed you views on being gay? If not it seems to me that you are using your sexual orientation as a way of getting out of answering questions about your political views, why?

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    As to my own political views, I’m a environmentally orientated socialist pragmatist with an idealist streak. I’m a member of the UK Green Party, but don’t agree with all of their views.
    The thing is that my views on social justice and distributive economics wouldn’t change even if I thought that my government was involved in such a plot in fact it would strengthen them. I was only trying to find out from you why you claim your political views have changed and in what way.
    Maybe you have answered that question while I was away if you have please tell me where.

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    As to “bullying, disrespectful and intimidating behaviour” oh pleeeeeeeeease, I hold no malice toward you or anyone else here but I might disagree with you (so far from what I’ve read I’m unsure what much of your viewpoint is) or others and I’ll express my views in the way I want. I’ve been threatened with physical violence on several occasions by people on the forum and I didn’t care and as for the rest it is just words.

    But again it seems to me that this show of effrontery is more misdirection calculated to hide the fact that you don’t want to discuss your political viewpoint. Again I’m left wondering why?

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    We could go back to post 15 of this thread and try again if you like, the one before you got so sensitive about your political viewpoint.
     
  8. spooner

    spooner is done.

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    Is this what they teach in Highschools now? The oldest surviving democracy would be the Cree Nation (argued between different tribes). Your sentence doesn't even make any sense. Oldest of modern times? Its not even coherent, much less true.

    Rampant and untrue generalization. Many are of course, but I have met a good many decent people working the political circuit.

    Actually, in Manufactured Consent, I seem to remember him saying there was conspiracy afoot (esp. with the concentration of ownership in American Media). Chomsky has become the bible of the left - a huge following believing everything he says as literal truth. Take it all with a grain of salt.

    Raising environmental standards and reducing greenhouse gas will reduce economic growth, and consequently kill the political career of anyone who implements it. It's much more politically viable to achieve Kyoto standards by buying "credits"

    Lets be honest here - the Bush administration hardly seems the most skilled, capable, or efficient. In all likelihood they were guilty of Negligence and nothing else.

    But they did take advantage of the situation and pursue the international colonialism that has been America's international legacy, and the root cause of "super tuesday" to begin with. And with the re-election of Bush (and thus the people's support of said imperialism), proved they deserve it.
     
  9. Angel_Headed_Hipster

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    Alex Jones and texe marrs are some of the bigger conspiracy theorists i know and they are both conservative.
     
  10. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    Ina

    Can you give examples?
     
  11. Angel_Headed_Hipster

    Angel_Headed_Hipster Senior Member

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    you must be kidding, i hate texe marrs, if you ever watch texe marrs you will think he is the biggest conspiracy nut you've ever seen, hes all right wing religious and conservative, which is fine by me, but he is ridiculous, one of those christians who will demonize you for living in a house and fucking a girl without marrying her. I don't think he really is a nut, but i am SURE you would think he was the craziest guy you have ever seen.
     

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