How much did the Iraq war actually cost?

do your own homework

 

Source Iraqi casualties March 2003 to...
Iraq Family Health Survey 151,000 deaths. June 2006
Lancet survey 601,027 deaths out of 654,965 excess deaths. June 2006
Opinion Research Business survey 1,033,000 deaths as a result of the conflict. August 2007
Associated Press 110,600 deaths April 2009
Iraq Body Count 95,888 – 104,595 civilian deaths as a result of the conflict. April 2010

However, according to the List of Iraqi security forces fatality reports in Iraq 11,520 Iraqi military and police have been killed

136 journalists and 51 media support workers were killed on duty according to the numbers listed on source pages on February 24, 2009.[24][25][26] 94 aid workers have been killed according to a November 21, 2007 Reuters article.

U.S. armed forces
Graph of monthly deaths of U.S. military personnel in Iraq from beginning of war to June 24, 2008.[29]As of May 28, 2010 there were 4,404 dead

As of February 24, 2009 hostile-fire deaths accounted for 3,662 of the 4,568 total coalition military deaths.[35]

As of February 24, 2009 there were 318 deaths from the armed forces of other Coalition nations. 179 UK deaths and 139 deaths from other nations. Breakdown: Australia 20. Azerbaijan 1. Bulgaria 13. Czech Republic 1. Denmark 36. El Salvador 5. Estonia 2. Fiji 1. Georgia 5. Hungary 1. Italy 33. Kazakhstan 1. Latvia 3. Netherlands 2. Poland 30. Portugal 1. Romania 3. Slovakia 4. South Korea 1. Spain 11. Thailand 2. Ukraine 18. [31][32][36

Contractors. At least 1,315 deaths between March 2003 and January 2009 according to the List of private contractor deaths in Iraq. 245 of those are from the USA.[37][38][39][40][41] Contractors are "Americans, Iraqis and workers from more than three dozen other countries."

Not to mention the loss of plant and animal life.



It's cost us around 392,979 to 942,636 people in total.

 

That's funny, somebody who actually believes a Bush calling someone else ignorant.

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And becuae of this in your mind it gives Saddam free reign to violate as many human rights as he pleases without injuction from any world powers?

Ok, if you say so...

What a scholar you must be.

Irellevant.

You watched the UN inspectors as they went through Iraqi depots?

All on CNN?

Again, if you say so... :eggnog:

This is bullshit, and I have never heard of someone in the military being put under added pressure witht the thought that there is a food shortage on the base, where do you get this shit from?

Do you have a link showing proof of these supposed Military food shortages and the starving family's soldiers leave behind on these military bases?

No they would be living under a psuedo theological dictatorship in the best of hopes and at the worst dead from a mass gassing if they happened to be of a persuasion not to the liking of there "administration".

Wow, you have it all figured out don't you?

On a serious note you try to present yourself as some sort of historian on the subject and back it up only with that you had watched the gulf war on CNN, now my question is are you intentinally trying to sound naive or is your opinion genuine?

At no time did I say such a thing, and by your way of speaking in ignorant overused pseudo platitudes tells me that maybe in 1991 you got your information from CNN but in more recent times you rely on Comedy Central.

 

You act as though George Bush fabricated Saddams UN violations, is that seriously the stance your going to take?

 

Again, the gulf war was never, ever, never, ever, never, ever, never, ever about human rights, it was about WMDs, stop bringing up human rights, there are a hell of a lot of other countries we should've taken down first if human rights were the issue.

In fact here's the word from the horses mouth, i.e. Assistant secretary of Defense Noel Koch on why the US altered relations with Iraq after the Iran-Iraq war began

 

I've already said this and I think two or three other people have also pointed it out, so i'm not really sure why I'm bothering, but....No. It does not give Saddam free reign to violate human rights. However, it is the UN's responsibility to deal with human rights violations. The US led invasion of Iraq had nothing to do with human rights violations.

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by pseudo theological, but Saddam was actually quite secular. This is one reason America installed him as a dictator in the first place. A secular leader in Iraq calms the religious tension in the Middle East. And you do realize the United States installed him as a dictator, right? It really seems like you have no understanding of this. So actually, the Iraqi people would not be living under a "psuedo theologial dictator" because said dictator would not even be in power in the first place if the US did not put him there.

Did you know that the CIA also created a group in the early 80s called the Mujahadeen to fight the Soviets? The Mujahadeen later evolved into Al Quaeda. So as illustrated by these two points (and i can find many, many more), the United States has created much of the problems that exist in the Middle East today.

One more example: Israel, Post WWII. The United States and Great Britian concerned themselves with the task of assigning new borders all over the world. One such task was creating a Jewish state in Palestine. However, did you know that the Zionist movement began in the 1800s? Did you know that Jews and Islams cohabitated in Palestine peacefully until post-WWII? Yet in 1948, once the Israel partitioning was laid out, war immediately broke out between the Jews and the Palestinians. Israel seized 77% of Palestine, even though the Jews were only 1/3 of the population. The US immediately recognized this 77% of land as the state of Israel. Sad story.


actually, here's a pretty good link: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6308.htm

Its a timeline of US involvement in the Middle East. I recommend you read it. If you don't trust the source, take all the dates and events and research them from other sources. But you really should research a bit more of the history of the Middle East before you proclaim to know everything there is to know about the recent Iraq invasion.

 

now it's time for everybody favorite fun game, "Name That Rocket Assembly"... thats right Chuck,, today contestants are competing for a trip to the Northern establishment of the Kurdistan Region of Iraq which dates back to the March 1970 ..


"Name That Rocket Assembly" is produced by Merv Griffin Enterprises. Distributed by NEW WORLD ORDER PRODUCTIONS.....

 

As usual, you missed the point. Put more simply, just for you: Saddam could not have gassed the Kurds if America would not have given him the gas with which to do it.

Along with millions of other people. The UN even had cameras installed in these "Iraqi depots" and every inspection was accompanied by a cameraman and a reporter.

I've never heard that every soldier's family lives on a military base, because they don't. This "shit" comes from military families who are struggling to survive. Maybe you should watch more news.

I didn't say anything about "Military food shortages" or families on bases starving. Maybe if you would listen more carefully you would be more aware of reality than your false perception of it. If you listen to the news like you've been listening to what I've said, it's no wonder you're so ill informed.

And you know this, how? If the West would have never fucked with the Middle East, no one can say how it would have turned out, but at least it wouldn't be our fault if things were not going well. I'll put this a little clearer, just for you. If Europe and America would have left them alone, they would be much better off today.

Another point you're missing here. This is history for you, not for me. This is all a time period that I lived through as an adult. I was in my 40s for the Gulf war, I was born when Israel became a nation. the time period when the Middle East was made into what it is today was a time when reporters were required to have at least two credible sources before their story was published. If Walter Cronkite said it, you could bet the family home that it was true and correct.

"ignorant overused pseudo platitudes" I had no idea you were so intellectual.

That's exactly what you've been arguing, that we needed to remove a brutal dictator because he was breaking international laws. That's what cops do.

Comedy Central beats Fox News hands down. I get my news from many sources, but I never allow my mind to be polluted by Fox or Teabag web sites.

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To be fair we didn't "create" the mujahadeen, they were already there, we saw a group we could fund to intensify a proxy war against the Soviets.

To be fair again violence started before the US even got involved. After it became a British protectorate under League of Nations mandate a lot of Jews began flooding in, and the Palestinians did not like the idea of zionism since they were already living there. And violence started to become a serious issue.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1920_Palestine_riots
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Palestine_riots
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936–1939_Arab_revolt_in_Palestine
The world was in a bit of collective guilt trip after WW2 over the question of a Jewish state. Especially Britain who was in control of Palestine and who had previous to WW2 set a limit on Jewish immigration in an effort to stop the violence that was erupting. Most of the UN did vote for the partition though. The British though probably wound up making things worse, the plan adopted by the UN the British found unfavorable to both sides and in their withdraw refused to hand over power to any group, war was inevitable.

Oddly enough, while the US was the first to de facto recognize the state of Israel literally minutes after it's forming, Iran, who had voted against the partition plan to begin with, was actually the second. The Soviet Union was in fact the first country to officially recognize it.


actually, here's a pretty good link: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6308.htm

Its a timeline of US involvement in the Middle East. I recommend you read it. If you don't trust the source, take all the dates and events and research them from other sources. But you really should research a bit more of the history of the Middle East before you proclaim to know everything there is to know about the recent Iraq invasion.[/QUOTE]

 

Give me some links to the pictures of his WMDs, or at least an eye witness account of the ones they found. It's suspicious that none of the UN inspections found anything, and neither did the U.S. Army. On the other hand, there is mounting evidence that the Bush Administration lied, lied and lied. Remember the first Bush, "read my lips..." and that Iran Contra thing. The Bush's have a track record of lying and cheating.

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I was in Iraq.. no see WMD.. all I see is burning oil fields.. I suppose that could be WMD. Idk..

safe houses that were hit by air strikes relieved nothing but mutilated burned corpses.. Oh that smell was just fucking lovely in the 110 degree daylight heat..

 

Replace 'R' with 'D'

 

our rude friend seems to be unaware that reservists and national guard were sent over

and that their families were hurting

 

oh, there's been plenty of bitching from the left about bush iii - i mean obama

even though he inherited the mess rather than created it, and even though the weak-ass senate seems incapable of passing any bill with less than a 60 vote majority

what i'm more amused by is all the teabaggers who woke up only after election day, after 8 years of sleep . . .

 

Merv, I believe that would be a Patriot Missile Launcher, Final Answer.

Saw it on CNN live from Israel. They even had video of several of these knocking out the scuds from Iraq, and many that did not hit the target.

btw...that Scud missile was one real bad WMD.

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like lighting off one them silly bottle rockets, Where did it go?,, thats some fine tracking hardware aboard one them scuds.. just lobs it in the air, it will fall somewhere , idk where, but it will fall somewhere..
Insurgents are more accurate with mortars and rpgs..

btw 61 killed in recent attacks in Iraq FOXNews.com - 61 Killed in Bomb Attack on Iraqi Army Recruits

opps fox news.. my bad..

 

Amount we pay private contractors. Amount we've paid for rebuilding.

 

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fair enough. Interesting tidbit of information about Iran and the Soviet Union.