how much did LSD destroy you the first time?

The heat is generated in your stomach, this is what Arjuna is represented as in the Bhagavad Gita, the burning fire of passion to devote life to God. Heat spreading out over your body is an old mountain man survival technique where one forces oneself to be warm, which must be what your doing sobconsciously. If you are doing chakra meditation and your feeling heat, pull that heat right up into the mind along with the rest of your consciousness. The heat and the pressure are completley different, the pressure is more likely caused by a lack of proper physical yoga asanas, maybe blood filled with impurities needs to be pushed around and oxidized, maybe your muscle there is weak. It could be a matter of a block preventing the prana to move but this is better discovered by associating your behaviour with the points of pressure -

 

i felt like i had to re calibrate to the world. but it wasnt like 'all this stuff in my head is useless' it was more 'i really should make use of these very useful things in my head that seem to lie dormant atm'.

 

try looking at it from another angle for a minute.

i understand what you are getting at. i realized a long time ago that you don't plan your trips out. so many times, myself and a friend said we were going to write some music only to find ourselves doing anything but. if we didn't learn how to let go of our hopes and plans for the night we were in for one hell of a ride. no one likes to be disappointed.

but i seriously doubt that you or anyone can say that they don't have expectations when it comes to LSD. if you had no expectations you wouldn't do it.

it is good to set out on a journey with good intentions. it is also a good idea to have some idea as to where you are going. no one is going to argue that you should make the entire journey with out having some idea of where you are going. if you are walking towards something you must be expecting that there is a reason for you to do so. in life, we all take many things for granted and there is nothing wrong with that.

i don't think it matters what you expect as much as it matters how you react when you don't get what you want when you want it. we all have dreams and aspirations - those of us with healthy dreams expect that we will find what we are looking for. the fact that i was looking for acid did not stop me from finding some good mdma in the mean time (just one example).

i understand where you are coming from but i think you are a little confused. i don't think it is possible to live without taking things for granted. in a way i think that’s what it is all about. our ego and our habitual ways are the natural way in which we exist.

basically what i am saying is that if you take LSD you most definitely expect to get high. what type of experience you have will depend on your 'set and setting' which of course is very dependant upon your individual expectations.

i love magic. my very basic understanding of magic is what makes me such a powerful magician. we must believe that there will be a certain outcome in order for a spell or incantation to work - we must expect results.

in life, what we expect is not always what we get and learning how to accept this is what really matters. unless you are going to say that nothing really matters but then i would wonder why you didn't stop breathing a long time ago...lol...

 

so do you guys think that after an extremely mind shattering first trip that it would be ideal to take a smaller dose next time? or maybe a bigger dose...

 

After an extremely mind shattering first trip, it would be ideal to take a smaller dose next time.

 

how much did you take?

 

1.5 tabs, ya I know thats hardly any, but things still had geometric shapes on them at the 18 hour mark. I just suspect it was a good batch and plus I'm very sensitive to substance usually.

Im just asking cause, I'm prolly gonna do it again this weekend and the thing about the trip was. Even though it left me in a daze for like a month afterwards. I could tell that perhaps if I dosed a little higher it would have been easier to just let go of all ego and go with it. But I'm wondering if thats the right mentality for someone as inexperienced as I am. That perhaps I should wait on taking more until I can more reliably have things go smoothly on lower dose. But then I wonder... maybe a higher dose is just the thing to make it go more smoothly.

Cause from my experiences with mushrooms there was what I called an uncomfortable middle ground. Somewhere around 1 to 2 grams. It was enough to get me going pretty well, but not enough to disconnect me fully, so I was halfway here, halfway there and it's not a pleasant state. I've been trying to decide if my 1.5 tabs landed me in the uncomfortable middle ground of LSD.

but actually it just occured to me it wouldn't be a bad idea to just incrementally dose single tabs, or maybe half tabs

 

you are right to think that a higher dose would go more smoothly.

3 hits is my sweet spot. sometimes we will do more.

a good way to slide into a larger trip is to take 2 hits and then take another 3 hits exactly 4 hours after you took the first 2. what this does is make the transition a little easier. once you are comfortable with the two hits you take three. it is like walking in through the shallow end before you swim out to the deep end. it is very important that you follow the every 4 hour rule.

i wouldn't take any less than 2 hits and you most definitely want to try 3 hits at some point. i always get more out of a larger dose and like you say it can be easier than a small dose.

last time i took only 2 hits i wound up smoking so much weed that i got a head ache. like the LSD was not enough so i just wanted to keep getting higher. would have been better to just take more acid.

i didn't really know what LSD was all about until i tried 3+ hits. one of my best trips ever i started off with 4 hits then took another 5 hits every 4 hours up to a total of 19 hits in the night. wow, what an amazing trip, amazing visuals and the amount of time tripping actually made it easier to take what i learned back with me to normal sober life.

 

Yea 3 should do you right. Be careful about taking any more though, because I've had trips on high doses of L, more on mushrooms but thats besides the point, where when the energy hit me and just the overwhelming climbing sensation projected on all my senses wouldnt stop rising. I kept thinking "Ok, this is as insane as it can get, eventually I will go into shock and plataue" but it wouldnt stop for over an hour and I had to hold on because everything I heard kept getting louder, like sirens going off, light kept turning over brighter and every object kept melting further up the wall, etc. Completley insane and not spiritual at all, just beyond ultimate highness. Not a bad thing of course, but if I was inexperienced I would have been freaking that my mind was out the window and never coming back

 

you might want to try working up to a large dose like i suggest in the post above. it really does help with the overwhelming feeling.

say, start with 2 hits, and take 4 hits 4 hours later. when you get to the 4 hit peak it is just like when you take 4 normally but the transition from a 2 hit peak to a 4 hit peak is easier. if you wanted you could even up the dose again after another 4 hours. instead of getting it all at once you kinda work up to it. works for me anyways.

4 or 5 hits with out working up to them is a little overwhelming for me as well.

 

Definitley, whenever I can grab at least a strip I would love to work it up like that. I've only been able to do that with mushrooms though, like start off on 3 hits LSD and 4 hours later drop an eigth of mushrooms. That was one of my most pleasurable experiences for sure.

 

It did destroy me but in a good way.

Now I'm... harder, better, faster, stronger.

And higher

 

Those were my exact words after coming down from my first trip.

weird.

 

I feel like each time i take acid, that it goes through my brain and kind of "washes" out all the crap i dont need, so i can think about the things in my life that really need thinking about.

 

I agree with you with those basic expectations, like breathing lol....
I also agree that you are expecting a good time when you are taking LSD, but that are the only expectations. I am not expecting visuals, or sound or vibrations or telephaty or anything else. It is like when you go to cinema, you expect that you will have a good time, but you don't expect how the movie is made, does it have good special effects or good story...., you just go and watch the movie. After that you can discuss the movie and analize it, but if you try to analize it during the projection, you might miss a word or a scene that can change your overal impression of the movie, plus if you are expecting beautifull special effects, you might not like the movie witch got beautifull story, but you expected something else and you are disapointed although you actually watched a good movie. Do you understand now where I am comming from? And another thing, yes you are expecting a good time, but what if something happen that it might not be a good time, you will immidiatelly go in bad trip, or you will be sorry that you actually took it? No, you expect a good time, but you accept everything comming your way without looking for anything. You just take it and continue doing what you were doing before, without waiting for it to kick, without any other expectation. That is why you feel much easier to take 2 hits and after four hours another 4 and another 4.......because you are expecting that 6 will hit you so strong that it is uncomfortable to enjoy comming up, and acid is showing exaclty that. The way I am doing it, I take as much as I planned immidiately (2, 4, 6, depends on the situation, am I working tomorrow or not, or other factors). But doing it this way (without expectations), I don't get excited and nervous even before it hits you, you just switch immidiatelly to whatever is comming your way, and you always get surprised. I am not saying that your way is bad or anything, I would even recomend your way to beginers, only thing I was trying to tell you and the others is that you should try not to search for anything, not to plan, and all of that because of the reasons I already specified and explained in the previous post. I didn't say it is easy, you need to work on it, but in my expirience, the results are far better when you achieve the mind set to enter the trip like that. When you manage to behave like that entering and during the trip, you will much easier transfer that knowlidge in common life, witch is the most important thing. If you don't use in common life what you learned on acid, you are actually misusing acid.
My point here is to learn to except anything comming your way, even in normal day to day life, and not to get stressed with surrounding that we are forced to live in, and to adopt to a certain situation as soon as possible and to make any situation pleasurable, even if it looks like a disaster on a first look. If you manage to improve your self on acid like I desribed before, you will have no problems using the same approach in day to day life. I am telling you this from expirience and you know that I didn't really had a calm and beautifull life, but thats exaclty what taught me to approach everything like this. You see, when we were bombed for six months every day, whole day and night long, I saw so many people loose it, because the only thing they were expecting was a bomb witch will kill them. Since the bomb is not comming they made their life misserable, because they didn't see that they were still alive and that there is so many other beautifull things beside those bombs. While they were dying all the time, I had the time of my life, making parties and enjoying the life to the fullest possible. I accepted so many other things comming my way, that I made that horrible situation one of my nicest memories. And when anybody mention bombing, I just start laughing remembering all the good time we had. Imagine tripping while AA guns are writing the stories on the night sky! Beautifull! But I didn't expect anything (yes, I was hoping that we will survive, but not expecting it), we were just trying to make every second of our life memorable as maybe it is our last second.
I hope you understand better now what I was trying to explain in my previous post!

All my love to all of you!

 

Crax\zy ... neverr........ had a bad trip only a bad reality............ Rather stay tripping which IM doing on shrooms....... Daily....keeps me from getting migraine headaches.

 

The only person who can answer that is YOU!
As you know acid is working differently with different people. You are the only one who knows how confortable are you with different feelings on different doses. What is true is that first time you try certain dose, you will not be that confortable with it like when you take it second time, or even more third time. The reason for that is that every increasing of the dose is opening more "doors", and since they are just open, you are not that familiar with them, but every next time you are more and more familiar with them and you feel more and more like at "home". The way I was incresing my dose was, when I am feeling completely at "home", it is time to up my dose. I was taking the full amount immidiatelly (2, 3, 4 hits) when I thought it is time to up the dose, and that way I learned what "doors" certain dose is opening immidiatelly. I am not saying that 3xi s way is wrong, it is just working fine for him, but with me, I was not really sure what certain dose was doing exactly because of the tolerance. I noticed significant difference when you take 4 hits immidiately and if you take it 2 by 2. If you take it 2 by 2, the trip was mellow and mild all the time, althow lasting a bit longer, but if you hit all 4 of them immidiately, it comes fast and blow you away and stay in that intensity for a long time. I would always recomend 3xi s way for a beginer, but for me.... I just like to be blown away. There is one little catch with 3xis way that you need to be carefull untill you know your limit, specially if you are expecting certain things to happen while you are tripping. It can happen that you are expecting something and that is not happening and you asume that you are not tripping hard enough, so you pop another 2-3 tabs, while in meanwhile acid was showing you something else, so you end up with much higher dose than you are prepared to have. It also depends form person to person what will be the reaction, but it can trick you that way. There are periods during trip that you feel like wave, like its not really hard, and than after a while it hits you back stronger than you expect. That is why it is very important not to expect anything, just to accept everything comming your way.

 

Always Tipping even if the drugs are really wore off..... Elightenment is a state of mind
acheived as one lets go of all matter. My MANTRA is No matter what it is it still doesnt matter. Your behavior doesnt matter. Behavior is Thought in Matter in Action.

 

LSD nearly completely destroyed me my first time. I figure that since I was still fighting it for a while, my ego wasn't completely gone. But I did relearn and rebuild most of the things about myself.

 

pizzi, thats how I felt. Sorta, I did feel like I lost all ego, I didn't fight it at all, I didn't have a bad trip so much. Just, I came out a blank slate and had to relearn everything. Like very literally had to relearn everything except the most innate qualities of my personality, like the day after LSD I forgot to eat... just didn't really think I needed to for some reason. Then the next day I woke up barely able to move from lack of food, which then I figured I need to eat again. It's been an ongoing process of trial and error things like that for months now. Although more on the lines of, 'do I act or feel like this?' and I test it out.

How long did it take you to get yourself back together? It's been like 4 months for me and I'm feeling pretty with it again now.

The interesting thing to me is. Things like mushrooms actually help me put myself back together. Like mushrooms helped me remember missing pieces and pull back together. Whereas LSD was just like, poof all gone. Thank god for mushrooms otherwise I'd probably be mentally wandering still.