How Is There Only 'one' Proton?

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  1. Jimbee68

    Jimbee68 Member

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    Alright, I heard in on the Science Channel. And they didn't go into any detail. They just said, maybe (i.e., we don't know for sure yet) there is only one proton in the entire universe.

    Only ONE? What does this mean? How does it work? And what indeed, if any, are the implications of all of this? (And BTW, does this have anything to do with the fact photons act like both particle and waves?)

    :daisy: :afro: :daisy:
     
  2. Irminsul

    Irminsul Valkyrie

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    That pretty much sums up like 90% of science.
     
  3. I'minmyunderwear

    I'minmyunderwear Newbie

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    didn't the science channel also say that maybe there's mermaids?
     
  4. Mr.Writer

    Mr.Writer Senior Member

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    I don't know about Proton, but I have heard that it's possible that there is only one electron. Although the principle would be basically the same when dealing with any particle; the way it might be possible is through higher dimensions.

    Like this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6kn6nXMWF0

    Basically all the protons could be just one single proton in a higher dimension. Entities in higher dimensions to observers in lower dimensions appear to be able to teleport and things like that; this would explain phenomena we find such as quantum tunneling and entanglement.
     
  5. relaxxx

    relaxxx Senior Member

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    They must have meant only one type of proton, they are at the center of every atom and consist of three quarks.

    Technically, particles don't actually exist. "particles" are really theoretical center points of complex electromagnetic wave fields. A "particle" is a sort of simplification representing it's type of wave field. Everything is waves, highly complex 3 dimensional wave fields. It's why one photon can interfere with itself, it's why scientists say they "pop in and out of existence", it's why there are so many elementary "particles", it's why particle physics can never fully model our universe.
     
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  6. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    Maybe they were talking about captain Proton:

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  7. Vanilla Gorilla

    Vanilla Gorilla Go Ape

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    Wow that's the nerdiest post you've ever done

    Reference a couple eps of the fourth most popular Star Trek series

    I knew who that was without googling, so Im just as nerdy
     
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  8. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    Well, it's the most popular in my book (together with TNG) :p I didn't watch the original series. Watched Voyager as a teen, really got hooked on the series and loved most of the characters.
     
  9. Vanilla Gorilla

    Vanilla Gorilla Go Ape

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    It always had really pretty CGI that still stands up today
     
  10. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    Explosions in space with sound are a bit outdated but overall I agree, yeah :)
     
  11. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

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    more like sums up 99.999% of television. obviously this is kind of a wierd statement, considering as how every hydrogen atom has exactly one each. and every other kind has two or more.
    are you sure you heard that right? are you sure "proton" is what they were even talking about? if it was, did they even graduate kindergarten?
    this is some other kind of "science" then i've ever heard of.
    i'm no genius, but i'd be really curious as to what they were actually talking about and saying.
     
  12. guerillabedlam

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    I am thinking you may have misinterpreted what the program said op..
    Never heard of such a thing though.

    Let me preface my response by saying by no means is this an area of expertise for me, however I've come across some information that appears to be displaying and saying pretty much the exact opposite of what you are suggesting here. I am not sure if this is a misunderstanding on my part or what...

    http://youtu.be/ZJ-0PBRuthc

    http://m.phys.org/news/2014-12-quantum-physics-complicated.html
     
  13. relaxxx

    relaxxx Senior Member

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    I'm sure many scientists still subscribe to particle theory as if particles are real things. Some believe String Theory, others Loop Quantum Gravity... some even still believe in God. Science is a process. Also they seem to keep calling these electrons when they are photons, there is no electron slit experiment. Particles are defined by their movement as much as their EM field structure. Electrons are of course locked in atomic valence shell orbits until they break free of the atom and then become photon energy.

    https://youtu.be/YoQYnhHQ95U

    This vid almost has it right but still fails in understanding what particles really are. Probability field of particles works out the exact same way mathematically, if you think it's particles with wave properties or waves with particle properties. Either way, the fact is that "particles have EM fields that extend far beyond the "particle". The next logical step is realizing there really is no actual particle but a center of peek magnitude representing the entire fields energy signature. This center is what we perceive to be a particle but human perception is all about viewing the world in terms of matter. Even Einstein believed in particles and he invented the equation that tells us Matter is nothing but Time and Energy. Only his equation is fixated on the energy defined as pre-existing matter at motion.
     
  14. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

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    therefore we're talking about little lumps of probability. very small ones in this case. being old and slow, it finally occurs to me that they may have meant only one KIND of proton.
    a concept which it appears, there are very many more then one way of looking at.
     

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