How far will Trump go before he concedes?

Discussion in 'Politicians' started by newo, Nov 16, 2020.

  1. hotwater

    hotwater Senior Member Lifetime Supporter

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    So let me get this straight, Donald Trump, Sidney Powell, and former Lieutenant General Michael Flynn all in the same room at the same time, with Rudy Giuliani on the phone, discussing
    their next move on how to subvert the will of the american people, by tossing around baseless claims of voter fraud and conspiracy theories like they’re confetti (or covfefe)
     
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  2. newo

    newo Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    Yes. And the worst part is they're making hundreds of millions of dollars by doing that! :rage:
     
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  3. wrat1

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    But it ok John Q Public is getting $600 ( extreme sarcasm)
     
  4. newo

    newo Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    Yes, people are months behind in their rent and the government is giving them enough to pay half a month's rent!
     
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  5. tikoo

    tikoo Senior Member

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    Yes , you can depend on me for responsible honesty .
     
  6. Tishomingo

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    Great. We'll hold you to it. BTW, if you're pinning your hopes on that bombshell forensic evidence the Michigan judge ordered released, there are some problems with it. Oddly, the judge's decision to order release of the report was in response to a lawsuit challenging the integrity of the equipment in a case concerning the location of a marijuana dispensary. The report was prepared by former Republican congressional candidate Russell Ramsland, Jr, . Ramsland works for a private Dallas-based security firm called Allied Security Operations Group (ASCOG). Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel and Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson on December 14, 2020 sought to have the report released to the public so that people could see that it's "another in a long stream of misguided, vague and dubious assertions designed to erode public confidence in the November presidential election."

    "The expert making the claims has not been put under oath nor cross-examined, provides no witnesses and officials say he does not have access to the data needed to make the calculations he presents. Michigan's Director of Elections declared in a sworn court filing that Trump partisan Russell James Ramsland, Jr.'s claims describe software features not in use in Michigan and said Michigan's audit on December 17, 2020 will prove the claims false. The spokesman for Michigan's secretary of state said Ramsland's Allied Security Operations Group report includes fabricated statistics that would require access to ballots, which Ramsland does not have. Under oath, on December 15, 2020, the founder and CEO of the company that makes Michigan's balloting and tabulation software directly refuted the claims about fraud and vote-switching, saying Dominion Voting Systems software only operates with paper ballot systems, so that tallies can be audited and as proof of Ramsland's lack of expertise, that the system does not offer the fractional vote recording Ramsland claims is proof of fraudulent intent." Fact Check: Cyber Analyst Did NOT Prove Dominion Software Used In Antrim County, Michigan Was Designed For Fraud | Lead Stories

    Ramsland is the very same "expert" who , in another case supporting the Giuliani conspiracy theory, confused voting jurisdictions in Minnesota with Michigan towns. In another case, he made wildly inaccurate claims about Michigan voter turnout, claiming that Detroit, where turnout was 51%, had turnout of 139%, and that North Muskegon, which had turnout of 78%, had voter turnout of 782%.

    "Michigan Elections Director Jonathan Brater said the report "makes a series of unsupported conclusions, ascribes motives of fraud and obfuscation to processes that are easily explained as routine election procedures or error corrections, and suggests without explanation that elements of election software not used in Michigan are somehow responsible for tabulation or reporting errors that are either nonexistent or easily explained."State, company officials dispute report on Antrim County voting

    Professor Greg Gogolin, cybersecurity expert, says: “One of the first things you ask is what is your expertise in digital forensics? If you can’t find a track record in at least some of those spaces, then you wonder, is this person really an expert or not.” Dr. Gogolin adds, “There’s limited information provided, and it’s presented in a way that makes it difficult to follow the procedures that were done and to validate it – because it’s not presented in the way you’d normally see it.”Officials Dispute Findings in Antrim County Audit - 9 & 10 News Dr. Gogolin points out that neither the audi nor the ASOG website sayswho worked on the report or list their credentials--. a first step in trying to validate the research and the claims that are made.

    And now this Christmas turkey is before SCOTUS. BREAKING: SUPREME COURT: The KRAKEN Has Hit SCOTUS DOCKET, Has PROOF Of HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF FAKE BIDEN VOTES, Dominion System GLITCHES, REMOVAL OF TRUMP VOTES Laugably, Retrumplicans are calling the case "the Kraken" (as in "release the Kraken)-- which in a way is appropriate, since the Kraken was a mythical monster. Watch the Supremes say: Certiorari denied.
     
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  7. ~Zen~

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    Just read that Pat Robertson finally told Trump to 'Move Along.'

    Finally the religious right is turning...
     
  8. tikoo

    tikoo Senior Member

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    I have but one particular hope ... that neither party control the govt .
     
  9. Tishomingo

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    'Fraid you're hopeless then.
     
  11. scratcho

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    itf the repubs win just 1 of those seats in Georgia--Mitch McConnell runs the government until 2024. Gridlock today----gridlock tomorr-a---gridlock forev-a-, to paraphrase a famous( dead ) politician from Alabama.
     
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  12. Tishomingo

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    This seems to have been a "road to Damascus" epiphany for Pat. He also said, on the 700 Club Monday that Trump “lives in an alternate reality,” adding, “He doesn’t lie ― to him, that’s the truth.”
     
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  13. newo

    newo Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    So Trump has heard arguments from Sidney Powell and Michael Flynn about invoking martial law to overturn the results of the election. This can lead to violence from far-right extremists. Here in Oregon armed members of the Proud Boys and Patriot Prayer stormed the state capitol this morning.

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    Does Trump really think these "losers and suckers" as he called them will impose martial law to keep him in office? No way. He's just putting on a front of fighting the election results so he can keep raising money. So what if the country gets further divided, fuck America.
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  14. hotwater

    hotwater Senior Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Yeah, confronted with a multi-million dollar lawsuit Newsmax caved in …………

    Newsmax disclosed: Newsmax has no evidence Dominion or Smartmatic manipulated votes in the 2020 election; that Newsmax has no evidence Dominion or Smartmatic has any relationship with George Soros;
    Newsmax has no evidence Dominion uses Smartmatic's software or vice versa; and that Smartmatic is a US company, not owned by the Venezuelan government.

    It was basically tell the truth, or be forced to go out of business
     
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  15. newo

    newo Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    And here come the pardons. Trump issued 15 pardons Tuesday evening, including one for George Papadopoulous and Alex van der Zwaan, both of whom pleaded guilty during special counsel Robert Mueller's Russia investigation, and four Blackwater guards involved in the Iraq massacre. Anyone still want to call him the law & order President?

    And now he's threatening to veto the Stimulus Bill which would give us $600, saying he wants everyone to get $2000. And the democrats are encouraging it! It would be great if he can push it through, at least get a compromise, but he's running out of time whether he realizes it or not.
     
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    "there will be a continuation..." ~ Donald J. Trump
     
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  17. ~Zen~

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    He vetoed your $600 check. Fuck Trump.
     
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  18. granite45

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    If you look back on the last century and count every instance of public corruption, crimes by public officials, and violations of Federal ethics, add those instance all up......it pales by comparison to Trump, his cronies and Republicans operatives. The latest two series of pardons are an international disgrace and puts the US in dubious international company. It smacks of an organized criminal operation. Meanwhile our prisons are full of people serving time for far less damaging crimes; usually people who are poor or minorities, or have offended the rich and powerful. We have had enough and hope Biden can heal this very ill Nation.
     
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  19. hotwater

    hotwater Senior Member Lifetime Supporter

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    He's just begun, he realizes he's been slowly losing power since the election so he's overcompensating by doing what he can do through vetoes and pardons.
    Trump Issues 26 More Pardons, Including Manafort, Stone

    President Trump issued 26 more pardons on Wednesday, granting clemency to individuals including former campaign chairman Paul Manafort, longtime adviser Roger Stone and Charles Kushner, his son-in-law’s father.

    Mr. Trump, who used the clemency power only sparingly early in his term, appears to be freely exercising it in his final weeks in office to grant reprieves to allies and associates in his political orbit. In addition to the acts of clemency announced this week, last month he pardoned his former national-security adviser Mike Flynn, who had pleaded guilty to lying to the Federal Bureau of Investigation
     
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  20. newo

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    Merry Christmas Everyone!

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