How exactly will Gay Marriage harm Marriage as an Institution?

cutelildeadbear,

what huck is calling "christianity" has nothing to do with religion, spirituality, the teachings of christ, the bible, marriage, families, or love. it is simply what he has chosen as his excuse for hatred and ignorance. if he didn't have that, he would find some other reason. don't waste your time.

 

Kitty,

Care to enlighten me with your source for the "true" teachings of Christ?

 

that was the funniest thing i've read in a long time.

 

one of my sources of the "true" teachings of Christ was the chaplain at the campus ministries of my old college, who lived peacefully and without judgement for others, whether she agreed with them or not, according to the word of Jesus as laid out in the Bible. she witnessed her faith not by posting hateful internet rants, but through living her life in love and kindness. of course, she turned to the Bible in love and peace, as opposed to looking for an excuse to hate and judge. there have been many others like her, and although i am not christian myself, i choose believe these are who the true christians are, because if i thought "true" christians were anything like you, huck, i wouldn't have anything good to say about the religion at all.

btw, i'm sorry to see that you are so hate-filled and miserable, but of course, no one can change that except you. jesus loves you. (but i think you're an ass.) i have nothing more to say to you.

 

so, despite the seperation of church and state, only the judeo-christian concept of marriage is acceptable. frankly, i find that terrifying. and i'm a christian. next thing we know, the state's going to be allowed to dictate to the church all over again, and this entire american exercise will have been wasted.

 

LOL I read it.

He is saying that no matter how natural it is to feel gay that his acting on it would be choice and Christians are supposed to be obedient and choose not to act on natural desires. He is also saying that if you believe that being gay and acting on those feelings is natural you are deceiving yourself (that is not even logical). The same could be said for a hetero couple as Christians also believe in remaining a virgin. He is saying that he has to deny his true natural feelings because he knows what a good Christian should do/feel. You can read into what you wish, I don't personally know the man, but that is what I got out of it. Just like I told you before I cannot argue with someone's religion. What you believe is what you believe. But you cannot base laws on it. I was raised in Christian schools all my life. I know what they tell you God wants. I know that they say God doesn't want people to be gay and that it is wrong. I disagree with most everything I was taught in those religious schools. I agree with whomever it was who said these people, including yourself Huck are not true Christians. Jesus never once in his lifetime taught anyone to hate. Contrary to what you all want to believe God does not hate gay people, and he wouldn't want them to be treated this way. Try actually dealing with what I type, not what you want to believe I typed. I didn't say anyone said they choose their homosexual desires, I said the exact opposite. They can't choose them, they are just there. I said that they are attempting to ignore them and lie to themselves by denying that they exist or saying they are wrong to feel that way. Did you just prove my point or what?

 

If Jesus was here today, he wouldnt be accepted in most evangelical churches for the simple fact that evagelicalism is phariseeism and prides itself on adherence to works and public proclamations of righteousness which Jesus himself in his own day condemned.

"Whitewashed tombs" he called the religios of his day and that is what evangelicalism is today, pop faith (come to alter and give your life to Christ so WE can see you as a repentant sinner, etc. ad naseum) followed by indoctrination into all the ways that you can "backslide" and fall from grace to hold the flock in line.

Meanwhile, Good ol Jesus was hanging out with all those who would be as shunned by evangelicals today as they were by the pharisees back then.

Food for thought.

 

Read the Red words. Christ NEVER said a word about homosexuality, or abortion, for that matter. HOW people who call themselves "Christians" can somehow bring Jesus into these arguments make me ill. THE MAN never said a word about these issues.

 

Exactly Lick and Maggie. This is why I say I cannot argue with someone's religion because of course people can believe what they wish, we just can't base laws, or even truths on it, because just because it is true for one person, does not mean it is true for everyone. Again why I think organized religion is the cause of many of the world's problems.

 

"Lick and Maggie", why does that sound like a porn film? LOL

 

Snort LOL

That or a new sexy all ladies cop show!

 

or perhaps sexy lady cops doing porn? LOL. I didn't mean it to sound that way, but I must admit, it gave me a good laugh just now.

 

You've yet to even comment on the extensive evidence presented that debunks the unfounded myth that homosexuality is an inborn trait.

He's saying that a desire might feel "natural" and still be wrong. (What if pedophilia is ever conclusively proved to be inborn? Would that make it "natural" and therefore morally acceptable?) I'm astounded that anyone could overlook the obviously natural complementarity of male and female. The aberrant and dysfunctional nature of homosexuality is self-evident.

Jesus never said a word about bestiality, either. He didn't have to condemn such perversions, because his Jewish audience universally understood them to be wrong. If he disagreed with them, he certainly would've corrected them. His silence on the subject undermines the pro-gay revisionist argument.

 

Huckfinn,
this is why I am trying to tell you that I cannot argue this issue with you, because you are basing everything that you believe about this topic on your religion, and I don't agree with or believe in your religion. This is not a religious subject, this has to do with rights. That seems to be the concept that you do not grasp. You can believe that being a homosexual is not natural, but I believe it is a natural feeling, just as much so as I feel sexually attracted to my boyfriend and many other men. I can't change it, even if I wanted to and tried. Even if I believed with all my heart that it is wrong, I still could not change it. You believe that people can not feel this way. That is where we differ here. There really doesn't seem to be any point to continuing this debate.

I just want to add though, I really don't like it when people bring up pedophila and homosexuality and somehow attempt to correlate the two. If you had taken any psychology classes you would know why people are pedophiles. I know a man who is straight who is practically a pedophile. He is 28 years old and he only dates girls who are around 16-18. That to me is wrong. He knows that it is wrong as well that is why he lies to people about the women he dates, that is until we try to go to the bar. Being a pedophile has to do with something that you are taught, and the way in which you are raised. You are not born a pedophile. As a matter of fact, most pedophiles were actually molested as children themselves. Being a pedophile has nothing to do with being gay. And as you have tried to correlate swinging and other fetishes with being a homosexual, they are not the same either.

 

It seems that a central point of Christianity is not what Christ said, but guessing what Christ WOULD have said, then inflicting the guess upon the rest of the world.

 

Actually seamonster I disagree. I don't even think most people even attempt to guess what Christ said because had they really thought about it, they would come to the conclusion that he wouldn't have said or done any of the things that they are doing as Christians who are supposed to represent Christ. They just impose their beliefs on others and tell us that is what Christ would have said. It keeps us all in line and afraid of hell.

 

I know for a fact that Christ hates Huck Finn...i saw a little asterisk on a Jesus Loves You shirt that said so.
Personally I love Huck though, I'd love to prove my love by fucking him, but he won't let me....yet

 

*sigh* i'm kinda learning not to read anything about christians on here.


anyway. what does christianity have to do with the issue, aside from why we're supposed to stop non-christians from doing something they need to do to aid their pursuit of happiness? if someone wants to sacrifice a goat to their god, i don't care. as long as they do it in a hygienic fashion and dispose of the remains as required by public health laws. what do they have to do with me?

 

LOL I don't have any beef with huck finn... then again I don't eat beef so that could be why. But really, I don't hate him and I doubt that god hates him. I just can't debate with him or anyone else who makes political issues into religous issues that is all. And Huck makes some good points some times, I just don't agree with them here. I give him props when he deserves it, and I really do try to hear him out. We just seem to butt heads.


KC, I'm sorry if we or I in particular have offended you. I know that not all Christians can be lumped into one category, and I do know that I was generalzing a lot back there. The thing is I see it happening so often that it is kind of hard to weed out the "real Christians" and those who just follow the Christian religion as taught by man. It really isn't my desire to come here and beat up on Christians, I don't like any organized religion that tells me what to do. Everyone can believe what they want, but leave me out of it. Know what I mean?

 

Quote; I don't hate him and I doubt that god hates him

Not god, the son of god *rolls eyes*