How do you recognize an undercover?

I'm sure they could if they had a mind to. Wireless is much easier to hack into.

Yes, you have to keep your eyes open. About two months ago, my wife and I were at my guys house. There were quite a few people coming and going. Then we noticed two dudes walking in with short spikey hair, polo shirts and shorts, Oakley shades and new sandles. They looked like BYU students trying to look cool. Very out of place.
My wife and I looked at each other and both said "time to go". We said our goodbyes and bounced. I took notice of their white chevy impala as I went to my car. Two weeks ago he got raided big time. Just another "drug crime" statistic. Just another honest man, made into a criminal by an unjust system.

 

Actually

"I was just following orders" was a fairly common defence used by nazis at the nuremberg trials if memory serves.

It's not really good enough, each cop is an individual capable of telling the difference between right and wrong and making choices for himself.

They do not have to continue in a line of work that makes them commit immoral acts.

A friend of mine recently left the police on these grounds and went into private security instead.

With that said...

A lot of cops really aren't that bad, they are just people like you and me, and many will deliberately turn a blind eye to cannabis use if it is discrete.

The degree of paranoia about "undercovers" here is kinda scary. It's exactly that sort of fear and second-guessing of people that allows police-states to rise.

Folks have gotta trust each other.

 

Once I was taking some collage classes and group of people and me were standing out in the parking lot talking and smoking cigarettes. This guy who went to school there pulled up (he was kind of a meth head) and another car pulled in a little ways behind him. The parking lot was busy so the other car kind of got stuck with nowhere to go driving towards us. I looked and you could just tell the guy in the stuck car was a cop and you could tell he was following our classmate and he looked really uncomfortable. So it made me feel cocky and I was going over to give him a hard time, he got unstuck a tore away before I could go give him a hard time.

We asked our class mate about it and he said he was just over at someone’s home who is in a lot of trouble with the law and he always get followed from there.

The thing that was strange about the whole ordeal was the car the undercover was driving had dealer plates. So I think the police had a contract with a large car dealer to use cars from there lot. That would be pretty sneaky they would always have a never-ending supply of random different cars to use.

 

I agree. I have always believed that being paranoid will get you busted. When you feel paranoid, that energy is sent out into the world and is easily picked up (even if at a subcontious level) by Johnny Law.

Being paranoid stems from the belief that you are somehow doing something wrong, or the fear thar you will be caught in an illegal action. So I never break the law, I practice civil disobedience against unjust laws with with my head high and without appology. If I am ever busted again, I will look the judge in the eye and tell him I will gladly go to jail to support the cause of healing the earth through mind expansion and spiritual growth.

You do have to keep your eyes open and be smart about what you do, but let's not forget that herb was place on the earth to help bring people together. Drug laws were created to keep people scared, untrusting and paranoid. Scared people who don't trust each other are more easily controlled. If we stay scared, they win. If we all stand up for our beliefs and refuse to be frightened and intimidated, we can force the issue out of the fringes and into the mainstream. that simple.

Stay strong, brothers and sisters. Be there for each other.

 

I agree about the paranoid thing cops are like predators and they smell fear and attack it. Also I think you create things you think about. I have been harassed by the cops before and just started asking them questions and acting like a annoyed citizen and it usually breaks up there attack mode, but you start acting guilty and submissive and they will be all over you mentally raping you.

But also there is a fine line,, I know people who would just smoke pot out in the open carry drugs around everywhere and say stuff like you just have to act normal blabla and they are always the ones getting busted.

I live some where marijuana is a petty crime (Colorado) so I don’t worry about it..

But I have lived in places it was a big deal and years of probation and you really had to keep a heads up or suffer the consequences.

 

Very true, and very astute, zihger. I, myself am in the middle of being raped by the man for possesion. I was just on my way home from my guys house and got pulled over in Eagle Mountain, Utah with a zipper of granddaddy grape. Officer Friendly stuck his head in my window and the smell of herb hit him in the face and I was busted. (good lesson. It's always the details that get you.) I was booked and released, recieved fines in the neighborhood of two Grand, and ordered into a drug program (another $1000 to a government agency). So I can testify that the drug war money machine is well oiled and purring smoothly.

I will often carry small amounts herb and some papers or a small wood pipe around with me but I try not to have more than I can eat in one mouthful if I need to.

But yes, the point is that paranoia is a tool for (and, in fact a direct result of) the unjust system which strives to opress and control us. The best antidote for paranioa is to remember that you are doing NOTHING WRONG. You are participating in a God given sacrament, if you will. Also, the energy you put out, not only comes back but it bumps into others along the way.(including the guy in the chevy impala hiding behind a billboard sign.) So as John Lennon said, "love is the answer".

much love and peace

 

^That’s fucked up that would of got you a $75. ticket in Colorado.

I have lived in Utah before I love the climate, mountains and the recreation but the laws are scary..

I use to just carry 1 joint in my car and have a bottle of water handy so I could wash it down if I got pulled over. And I have got pulled over a few times in Utah and had the police go through my car (with absolute NO consent). Luckily they never found more then a pint of whiskey, I got charged with open container for a pint of whisky in the trunk/hatchback .. I told the cop I was going to fight it and he said “ good luck this county is 99% LDS” so I just mailed the courthouse the money.

yeah I love Utah but the laws suck..

 

None of the under covers I came in contact with would use any drug. They were afraid of being accused of entrapment. The two cops who busted me were as different as night and day, one tried to get me to fight the other told me not to sweat it. I've been told that the other cops who heard about the bust called it chicken shit. They would have ignored the situation or at most given us a warning to air out the house. The real threat is someone you know who has been popped. If they give you up as their source, the cops will try to flip you to get to yours. Hate to say it but Trust No One.

 

agreed. People call me paranoid, but we'll see what they say when its them getting rolled, not me. I know too many stupid people who pretty much scream out "I smoke pot, arrest me!" because they think they're safe... yeah right.

 

just know your rights, be smart and attract good friends, and you'll be fine.

 

that's true. I think a lot of it has to do withlistening to your instincts, and not bragging about it. Don't get too many people involved.

 

by the way they smoke... make them roll... if its shitty... use complicated shit and make them hit it first.. like multi carb ghetto water bongs... lol

 

For me personally, it's in their eyes. Usually if someone is a liar they have a glare in their eyes that looks very...unsavory.

 

I happen to be very conservative in many areas,but I think it is so pathetic that law enforcement in the US wastes its efforts on undercover people for weed smoking,and I do not smoke weed.Only in America right.

 

Wasting undercover for weed smoking? I heard a story recently where there was an undercover agent planted inside a VEGAN group. Now that is pathetic and pretty scary.

 

I've seen undercover officers busting teens for smoking cigarettes,by giving them tickets.What a waste of time.Again only in America. Pathetic!

 

by their user accounts in the drug forums on hips

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iv had an undercover befriend me @ school for a wile.....i changed schools at the beginning of last year and guess who followed (lol)....he looks older than everyone else but tries to hide it in the way he presents himself and its extremely obvious.....
im positive hes doing this because my father was the leader of one of the three largest crip gangs in the united states (5th st player supremes/ 5 timers to people who dont know).....we have moved at least 6 times, both short and long distances.....just look them in the eye and you will see right through them..

also, the fact that a gangster kid is trying to be friends with a computer nerd is unusual

 

If they will not show you their waist/belt that is a dead giveaway, the badge is concealed there.

if they chum up to you but are overanxious to do a deal after a little chit chat, Like they start talking to you at a show, but pretty soon all they want is drugs.

They will want to put you on their turf, IE ask you to get into their car, their apartment, if they are willing to go to a place you suggest it's a good sign, If they are looking tio bust you they would have their officer buddies set up someplace, they want you in that place so they have control

I have had this one happen to me. they will not call a drug by it's slang names. I asked for "pot" and I had one say to me "you want to buy marijuana from me to smoke is that correct?" and he said it in a very "cop" tone. I said uh that would not be legal and walked away and he kept trying to sell me something. I knew then he was a cop.