How do you feel about the police?

Discussion in 'U.K. Politics' started by Joshua Tree, Nov 29, 2019.

  1. Kirstie

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    In that regards then racism is normal and natural - as proven over literal thousands of years of human civilisations?
    Hell, the Chinese built the biggest border wall ever known in all of history - far more than the US Trump promise. And yet you know, Trump is evil but the Chinese isn't?

    You say women of American are no longer up to task of defending their children.
    Yes. Exactly.
    You're racist! ;)
     
  2. hotwater

    hotwater Senior Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Now that’s one of the stupidest things I’ve ever heard.

    The Great Wall of China was built to keep out the Mongol horde, they were a real threat to China.

    The Mesoamerican and the South American horde is an imagined threat situated in the mind of a very disturbed individual.
     
  3. Kirstie

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    Stupid exactly. And yet, the racist Europeans kicked ass, against all odds - against every empire and group in the world ever. Yet these days are being seen as evil people.

    If you fail to see and appreciate the pros and cons from western culture then, just, literally humanity will 100% fall.
     
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  4. StellarCoon

    StellarCoon Dr. Professor

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  5. hotwater

    hotwater Senior Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Europe is experiencing a slow death and has been since the end of WWII, I say let it die.

    No doubt you were previously the seat of world power, and I agree you managed to repel every previous invasion from the Muslims, to the Vikings, to the Persians,
    but your time has passed and now you can only relive past glory.
     
  6. WhatJustHappened

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    It depends which side of the fence you’re on!

    as a kid, our local youth centre had the local police turn up every weekend, just a courtesy call, back when there was enough police to have a bobby on beat!

    there was a lady, liz wheeler, every single kid had the utmost respect for her. She laughed and joked with us, and also on occasion confiscated our alcohol but there were never any hard feelings. Just doing a job. The end.

    now a few years later, I was arrested for singing at about 2:30 a.m. drunk and disorderly apparently? (We were celebrating my friend being posted to Bosnia so, mid 90s ish)
    After being processed I was obviously sleeping it off in the cell, I’m the morning I was assaulted by a sgt williams, who attempted to wake me with a steel boot to the shoulder, he attempted to break my bones. So I jumped up grabbed him had him out of my cell and pinned against the opposing cell door, but before I got to work on him, I was returned to my cell by some of his colleagues in a most abrupt manner.

    at that time I was training to be a mechanic. My mentor was pcso Saunders! (A special or part time/hobby Bobby) he was a fucking great bloke. I even went to a rave with him, as his wife to be asked him to go, he knew I was into the scene, so he asked me to go along just in case. You should have seen the bouncers face when he flipped his cop card at the search on the way in!

    most cops are ok, most do it because they want to be an officer, occasionally you get a jobsworth but, all trades have jobsworths.

    my friends brother, John (who we call Fred) is a public serving officer, he works behind the scenes. Top chap.

    the last time I had a run in with the law, which is ongoing so I can’t say much, I asked the two arresting officers why they were in, one was a Beyoncé fan from Poland.....she came to London to watch a show, and never went home, her dad was polish police, she became a serving U.K. officer. Her dad is proud. She was cool. The other chap used to be a printer, which we both agreed was fucking boring.....
    He fancied a change. Police. Good man! Much better job. He was ok.

    the second arrest for the same alleged offence, the guy who arrived was a bit of a bell end. But his excuse was “I don’t know who you are”
    (It seems we all get treated with worst possible outcome despite me giving zero resistance)
    Mate, I don’t fucking know you either! And first impressions count.

    end of the day, we need them.
    It’s a shame though, you’re judged on appearance or alleged offence (regardless of guilt) and treated accordingly.
    I thought it was innocent until proven otherwise.
     
  7. wooleeheron

    wooleeheron Brain Damaged Lifetime Supporter

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    The most recent evidence is that racism is common among animals, and is related to how distantly related they are. Among other things, it helps to prevent inbreeding to know who is actually genetically different. Eskimos often had the right to force their wives to sleep with strangers in order to prevent inbreeding, and the more different they are the better. Racism is all about maintaining a healthy gene pool that also has diversity. In the case of humans, we are so inbreed its not funny, but our epigenetic evolution is convoluted and poorly understood. Too much racism, and the race may implode, too little and they may not develop a greater diversity of genes, which is particularly important for the immune system to adapt faster.

    Evolutionary theory is falling apart along with the other sciences. It seems that the evidence indicates humanity began to rapidly evolve again sometime within the last six thousand years. However, it appears that our immune systems had to evolve significantly because we left the jungle basically and started farming. Farming encouraged people to become more territorial and racist, due to the fact the larger the group the more they must rely on organizing like chickens, and the more they organized like chickens, the more racist they became, and the faster the races mixed. For example, Palestinians and Jews are often genetically identical, and racism can become counterproductive, but its just a reactionary response and they are often self-defeating. Nature could be said to sometimes encourage both racism and divorce as the answers to inbreeding.
     
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  8. Eric!

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    I know I don’t trust the police because of things I’ve personally experienced. There are very outstanding police officers out here, but just like any other profession, there are some that are morally corrupt, and bring discredit to law enforcement.
     
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  9. Irminsul

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    I never have had a bad situation with police, so no problem with me, even when I was being booked or something I was the one breaking the law in the wrong and I have respect for those laws and so I paid the fine and did what I gotta do. So no I don't have Problem with police personally.
     
  10. Visexual

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    I was a cop for two years after getting out of the military.

    After finishing the academy, and getting to the station, I was amazed how so many of the cops were the kids from school who were gutless. And how proud they were to have a gun and badge so they would no longer be bullied but, instead, could be bullies.

    I offered to lead a physical training program and teach martial arts but nobody was interested, hey, they had guns!

    I've often said, "if I have some whackos outside my house with guns, I'm not calling the cops because I'd just have more whackos outside my house with guns"!
     
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  11. wooleeheron

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    Bullying is epidemic in both the workplace and schools, and reflects the fact they organize like chickens. Despite all the anti-bullying rhetoric, its origins are in the establishment constantly insisting that crap must roll downhill. The more competitive they become, the harder the crap rolls downhill, and the more bullshit flies in every direction. Over half of them debate the meaning of words never caring that the dictionary merely contains popular definitions. They will peck at their own reflections, which is my specialty.
     
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  12. WOLF ANGEL

    WOLF ANGEL Senior Member - A Fool on the Hill Lifetime Supporter

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    Policing goes on regardless … Be it,
    Structured Rules or Vigilantism, Protection and Retribution. Justice is often not so much blind, but tied, - and often why the latter is employed by the aggrieved.
    I have personal experience of Policing, (Good, Bad and Ugly), through 'yesterday and today'. Suffice to say enactment and application is a matter of what one could and should do, within the confines of Law.
    This varies upon the Country one lives in - and their form of rule (Democratic, Communist …) the resources and facilities there is/are, the intelligence gathered, the individuals interpretation and application of authority given - and - the moment in time when a situation presents itself.
     
  13. WOLF ANGEL

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    (As this is in the UK section) I can only comment with a degree of knowledge upon the 'British Bobby'.
    Underfunded, Undermanned and Under resourced. The scrutiny of which expectancy is,within budget/s that are laughable, the delivery of service is tied (not of their making) to SLA (service level agreements) that are strained to be achieved.
    Many criticism come towards the Police, for their actions, and there is indeed justification in many cases, but often it is the 'LAW' that governs which is the issue. i.e 'Automatic release on Licence' sees incidents like:-
    London Bridge attacker had terror conviction
     
  14. Joshua Tree

    Joshua Tree Remain In Light

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    Well this report I saw says the 1,500 deaths were just those in police custody, not in prisons.

    Deaths of BAME people in police custody

     
  15. morrow

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    Sure there is racism in the forse, that's why they have a black only union... imagine having a white only!!
    The problem with police is the same problem through out the world today... people just dont give a hoot these days.. respect for your fellow people has all but gone, there is little empathy in the world.
    But what do we expect..
    Swearing, as my gran would say, is not just ignorance of using the right word to someone, it's a show of a lack of education, or knowledge, that's why f@@@ off is just that in any language.. but it's also vebal violence! And I agree..
    Imagine.. a group of 10 year old boys shouting cursing at other kids.. or grown men at a football match.. or police at a group of people.. which is most offensive?
    If you commit a crime, the penal system should seem fair.. but if police are in the wrong, is it right to have them investigate each other?
    The world has lost respect.. there for nothing will ever be the same.. it's taking it's time, but look at the films older than 40 years.. like a clockwork orange.. 1984 etc.. might seem extreme, but that's the kind of world we live in now.. isnt going to get much better..
    Police today, are a totally different bunch of people. Trust them? Would you trust the legal system? Because that's what they are part of.. my opinion, no!
    Look at Hilsborough.. Eddie Gilfoyle.. to name a couple..
     
  16. WOLF ANGEL

    WOLF ANGEL Senior Member - A Fool on the Hill Lifetime Supporter

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    So, I take it that there are many people advocating replacement of a Police service, which is albeit flawed - with ….. (what)?
    I think it's not so much the 'service' but the system that needs to be reviewed, amended and implemented - but to do that would take a citizen with an authority of power that could lead to Nationalism being used for/at its worst
     
  17. morrow

    morrow Visitor

    Read ...

    https://www.eddiegilfoyle.co.uk

    Replaced with a better system.. neither the present police forse, or our penal system is a good or fair system.
     
  18. WOLF ANGEL

    WOLF ANGEL Senior Member - A Fool on the Hill Lifetime Supporter

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    I've read, - along with the Hillsborough thing - as I said earlier there is Good, Bad and Ugly examples within the Policing Community
    To give a balanced view, one must also taken into account
    Police don't know how many officers have taken their own lives
    Labour calls for review into police welfare as suicide figures revealed
    - It is indeed the system -so,...
    What can the people do to change that system? (does one blame the Bus driver when the Bus keeps breaking breaks down? - or does one change their mode of transport for something more reliable?) -It is only at the Polls when this can happen - so if there is an appetite for such then the time is now
     
  19. morrow

    morrow Visitor

    I agree, there are good people.. sorry if I made it look like 100% of the force is bad.. but there are not enough..
    Suicides within the force are still at a rate that if they were in the public eye.. they would be within the expected rates, and most likely have committed suicide anyway.. sorry wolf.. but this is something I studied hard at.. I wouldnt like their jobs.. I have 2 uncles who were both on the forse years ago, one is in his 80s now.. he himself says he wouldnt join up now.. they and the public are too dangerous..
    Have you seen the videos of police attacking people for no reason? Why?
    Have you heard of police covering up for each other? Why?
    Have you heard of a couple of pensioners burgled and no police attend, the desk (civilian) gives a crime number to them..? Why?
    Have you heard of a group of black youths in the town centre... and a large attendance by police?
    None of it makes sense anymore..
    Do you feel safe, do you feel cheated by the forse... you bet I do!
     
  20. The majority of them are awesome at what they do. . However, there are some who are a danger to the community they supposedly serve.
    Annual evaluations might help. . Oh, and let's pay more attention and take more seriously, those citizen's complaints about officers who overreact in certain situations...
     
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