How do we know what is and isn't real?

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  1. IntellectualCurious

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    we're just a speck of dust.
     
  2. coreball

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    [​IMG]

    This is one of my favorite photos of all time.

    I'll let Carl say all that needs to be said:

    - Carl Sagan
     
  3. famewalk

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    "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."


    It isn't that it's hard to do, but what you say may be hard to understand. Security is of value to the conscience of the freedom seeking moral, but security may also be regarded as itself a mediocre achievement, only a means to another end. It may be a reality of confusing cause and effect, which in the form of a moral is not such a bad thing. It nevertheless may be a failure for Many of following the values of the wrong people for the right effect of decided judgment. So at times the real job is worth something for the security it gives, but you may learn a lot outside the Job.

    Take it that Nietzsche actually observed the above statement. He deserved the freedom of being against his own Nature, susceptible to Schopenhauer's idealizing of fastidious tendencies, and fearing bitterly that the ultimate effect of Life was to accomplish much as Death. Clearly for a true essence of meaningful security Nietzsche sought the understanding of Organic purposeful causality, but what would that Mean in all true Godly liberty? :D He needed the security the Obermann defined.

    There; I got my chance at something from Nietzsche on the internet.
     
  4. JackFlash

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    Life can never be summed up in one catchy sentence. On the other hand, philosophers have a way of making something that should be easy to understand, confusing enough to boggle the mind. They do that, partly, by inventing new words, defining their own terms and even redefining existing words. From what I remember about Nietzsche, he was a master of lingual abuse.


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  5. famewalk

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    Nietzsche did have an interest concerning the difference between government property and private property. But just for consistency's sake that He wrote a system which in denial of the solution to the concept, it may be wondered about if there was a meaningful truth for governance there : the state properties of America may be including railway lines where we are threatened :D by the locomotive operator and our ignorance, the back alleyway where the old lady judges us as choosing the life against conning one another, the park outside the legislature where the trash is naturally made of Nature just as the leaves are:eek:, and the hospital which the doctors are government self-employees while they work there, basically outside of their office inventory junk hole. Can't get worse. But the truth shall set you free.:cool:
     
  6. JackFlash

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    Nietzsche's truth led to his insanity, not his freedom.

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  7. famewalk

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    If you hate your body as most people in the U.S. are again beginning to (I'm religious and I like that), guilt could precede responsibility. Thus the world can be unmindful of it's lack of Freedom... As long as we feel good, and we're all just as Guilty as the leader guys who found their irresponsibility by the RELAXX... the property is that way; irresponsible to Health.
     
  8. Sam_Stoned

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    Answering the OPs question: Go a little crazy and see what sticks.
     
  9. sathead

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    474 posts to my 548. Where and when did you do all those posts? Pesonally, I need a Blog on the subject of redemption for the New Millenium.

    Woops: my (548 + 161)
     
  10. famewalk

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    NO more adversity. NO new taxes; we're in the money. Is that a conflicting concept? I expect a job tomorrow at the Daily Bread Food Bank.
     
  11. thedope

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    Are you claiming the posts of both sathead and famewalk?
    I would love to hear what you have in mind for the new millennium, and for which one.
     
  12. sathead

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    No, I'm not claiming them both. Only writing with a writer's integrity.

    Nevertheless, my family claims nothing but the Sathead.
     
  13. thedope

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    A writer finds integrity by first finding all had been plagiarized.
     
  14. mindtraveling

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    In regards to da O.P:

    You ever seen The Truman Show? Its one of Jim Carey's serious movies but its good, anyways ya if you have, then is that kinda how your feeling? Just a broader take on the idea...

    Almost like the world is your imagination. All of it.
     
  15. sathead

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    I'm now interested to know what you're thinking about for the imagination of the apparent time passing; that I miss that point that time is subjective to many people for the ideal oncoming of the ... Krishnamurtri's thing, huh?
     
  16. thedope

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    We are in a constant state of becoming. Creation is a law without opposite.
    How do we appear from far away, as the starry sky. How do we appear when near, spinning on the earth.
     
  17. sathead

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    Poetry: it deserves to understand the energy from God that Shouts from the mountains I take control of my Past for.
     
  18. MyImagination

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    The universe just exists because of how our brain perceives it, but yet our brain is just made up of matter of the universe. It is an immensely difficult concept to grasp.
     
  19. lunarverse

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    Everything that is perceived by the senses is real. Whether or not we sense it in its true form is another question. If it weren't "real", we wouldn't sense it in the first place. We know that we exist because we are aware of the fact that we think we exist. 'I am therefore I think, I think therefore I am.' If you think you may or may not exist, you've shown that you do exist. You are real because at the center of your world it is you who's perceiving it and the fact that you can interact with it shows you that you exist. Again though, the nature of our existence and the form we take in this reality is questionable, and possibly variable.

    People think of the same things, but not many think in the same way.
    Are our own internal commands anything more than an example of free will?
     
  20. sathead

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    People act so many ways in difference to what they truly should in accordance to how to be aware of each other's thinking. They lose touch with the marked knowledge of the each other's well-worth, and rather fall to self-knowledge of popular vain needs.

    We pretend to be at understanding or not-understanding one another so that we may thus think in common directly with one another.
     

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