How do I become more fully informed?

A child should never be thought of as being a punishment.
It's amazing how far selfishness of some women goes.
Incontinent screaming roommate? Just wow.
Well, at least you admit you were that yourself.

 

and so were you! no child should be born into a world that doesn't want it or isn't ready for it.
why is it so selfish for a woman to want her own life? i'm saying i have intimate experience that bringing a child into the world isn't always the best idea.
a child can be a punishment. ever see the kids screaming in walmart? they're a punishment for everyone.
but i suppose any woman who wants contraceptive care and an independent life is just selfish and should get back in the kitchen.

 

Your argument is completely illogical. Unprotected sex is natural. Sex with birth control is not natural. Abortion is not natural. The idea that natural is best is a stupid argument.

 

is that the best word you have in your vocabulary?

 

There are consequences to sex. That's the whole point of birth control - also, I'm pro choice but I can't stand when abortion is used all willy nilly as a form of birth control because someone didn't realize sex has consequences.

But, for women who do choose abortion and don't take it lightly, that also has consequences. Abortion can take its toll on a woman's mental health sometimes.

 

Sorry, how would you suggest that I re-write that sentence?

Or maybe you could just address the point I brought up, instead of being shitty.

 

i highly doubt any woman uses abortion "willy nilly".

 

i think a lot of the mental consequences are imposed guilt from society.

 

I know a girl who had 4 abortions instead of being more responsible after the first one, so it happens

But that's my point, sex has many consequences if you're not responsible about it

Maybe for some women, not for all

 

Sigh. I don't know why I'm gonna bother but....
I am technically pro-choice. I don't think abortion should be illegal and there are situations where it can be best. BUT THOSE SITUATIONS ARE FEW ARE FAR BETWEEN. It's not that hard to prevent a pregnancy. And if you don't prevent it.... I'm not even against plan B. So if you try to prevent and Plan B doesn't work.... 90% of the time... well, for me personally it would take A LOT to get me to have an abortion. And I'm talking about if I was raped I wouldn't.... I'm talking about if I had meds or drug issues I needed to take care of and no money I'd deal with those things right away I'd take care of those things right away because I was the one who had sex KNOWING you can get pregnant and I'm take responsibility. Btw, I have either first or close close second hand knowledge of a situation considered by the ppl involved to be outside the 90% (really no other option at all)... there ARE times when it is the best decision and not a decision that is taken lightly AT ALL. Some people say they don't have issues w it later but I also know that some people, despite it being pretty much the only choice, never fully get over it.

It annoys me to no end that some people take it so lightly....and just like Meli said earlier, I have known or known of people that have had 2, 3, even 4 abortions and obviously not doing enough to try to do something differently and it makes me sick.

I will always be pro choice technically because there ARE situations where it really is the only, almost only or very very very best option.
But....
I'll tell you this much. If it's someone that is above the age of a teenager who can financially (even with a lot of effort and work!) afford to take care of the child and provide for the child with no neg health effects to anyone.... someone who.... just doesn't wanna grow up and take care of a kid because it would be a punishment... lol geez, all I can say is.... shoulda thought about that before?

 

kids are expensive and a person shouldn't be forced to deal with them. and not wanting kids doesn't make someone selfish or immature. quite the contrary.

 

Did you even read my post?

First of all I said that I am pro choice and there are times... not even just for the health of mother or rape (that is just ME who personally would keep a baby if I was raped... don't think anyone else should be forced to... and I base how I personally feel on experience) that I think abortion is the BEST option. Abusive relationships, homelessness, all kinds of situations put together where that, sadily, may be the best option....

But to act like.... Oh shit, someone shouldn't be forced to deal with a child just cause they don't wanna grow up... who's forcing anyone? There's birth control. There's not having sex. There's Plan B. Can't work it out w all those options? Maybe you're not mature enough to be having sex in the first place then. (meaning if someone chooses not only to not use any protection/birth control and then also chooses not to use Plan B....who can take care of a child.... THAT is selfish. Abortion should be a last resort and for extreme circumstances.)

 

i'm asserting that nobody is in any place to judge anyone else on whether or not they should do this or that in regards to childbirth, abortion, etc.

 

And I don't judge anyone. I personally feel a certain way but I am absolutely fine with people being able to make the choice for themselves.

 

or do this or that in regards to almost anything...or how to feel or not to feel, etc., etc...this has always been my fight.....

 

Yep....well I'm personally not interested in telling anyone what to do but I am gonna think that using abortion as birth control.... primary birth control.... which I have known women do personally... is extremely selfish.

 

selfish to who?

 

Meaning.... not using any other form of birth control simply because you don't want to (and then using abortion as birth control) is .... (how to explain) it's just a way of selfish living- only caring about yourself and the moment and not thinking of consequences. I'm all for people doing what they want, having fun, etc.- But actions have consequences and to live life just thinking about yourself and not the future and being RESPONSIBLE for the things you do (whether it's using drugs irresponsibly-stealing from people to afford a drug habit, having sex w no bc because you don't want to and then using abortion as birth control ((not even bothering with plan B)).... it's just part of a pattern of irresponsible behavior that I find selfish in general because you're thinking of nothing but yourself.
Do you want me to say it's selfish to the future baby? Are you looking to say if I'd say that? I actually don't have a prob w abortion if it's done as early as possible... and ESP in circumstances where it REALLY IS the only or even BEST option (and yes I think that should be left up to the woman), but yes.... me personally with having seen babies just born and felt kicking in me.... I would personally think it wouldn't be fair if I decided...eh fuck it. I don't like condoms or birth control..including plan B but I don't want any more kids so if I get pregnant after this one I'll just get an early abortion.... to me personally when there are plenty of other primary options that would be selfish of me to think only of myself like that.

 

educated people seem to know a bit better and seem more responsible...It is the poorer, down trodden people that keep having kid after kid after kid and not seeming to be able to afford them....so should we?......or should they have a right to an abortion, if they wish....Why am I involved in this discussion again?

 

perhaps same reason i am.... boredom, amusement and too much time on my hands .... quite a luxury