How did the world begin?

Tanelorn

Occam would like to re-write your statement to fit another perspective.

Because of how reality IS. That is how we percieve.
ALL things we observe as 'created', be that a product of objective law
[bioloical and cosmological evolution]
or human purpose. Is a structure/system.
Made from what exists already as the playdoh of reality.
Mater,energy,space.
The playdoh is not created. the thing it makes..IS.
That is the human definition of creation because humans
have NEVER seen the playdoh created or any evidence of
it being created except theoretically as a conversion of
mater/energy from one state to another immediately
after the bang.

Occam proposes that if 'god' created.
It was in a way we create.
Making structure/systems from the playdoh of reality.
Which has ALWAYS existed.
'God' only needs to 'adjust the objective laws'
to make reality produce what 'god' wants. [us?]
Far easier than making the stuff of reality itself.
No?

You suggest in your proposition that the playdoh of reality
was created.
This is illogical
You yourself suffer from the pre-conditioning of humanity.
That is.
The inabillity to imagine something always existing.

Occam

 

You've all got it all wrong. It came in a can and you just add water. Like a Chia Pet!

 

Rigamarole

Laugh on laddie.
And remember. Every atom in your body one existed inside a star.
And every atom higher on the table than hydrogen was MADE in that star.

That includes the water[oxygen actually] you say is needed to make everything.

Occam

 

Duh, and where do you think THAT STAR came from? I'm guessing you never had a Chia Pet, so you wouldn't know how miraculous they really are. It's OK, I forgive you.

 

Rigamarole

Sol is a 3rd generation star. All of the heavy elements in our solar system
are the products of the 2nd and 1st generations of stars that preceeded sol back to the big bang.

First generation stars came from the hydrogen precipating from the bang.

Cosmological evolution has FEW HOLES.. Unlike biological.

Science has no idea what 'preceeded' the singulaity that resulted
in the bang. There is NO OBVIOUS CREATION EVENT. The bang was a
state change. From singularity to expanding cloud of hydrogen.

Many might say the singularity that resulted in the bang was created.
But most of that 'many' have NO IDEA of what exists beyond our atmosphere..Occam knows cause he has talked to hundreds of them.

Not one person occam has met who believes god made reality.
ex nihilo
Has had even a fundamental understanding of cosmology.

Occam

 

Yeah, obviously never had a Chia Pet.

 

Rigamarole

Have no idea what a chia pet is.
If it is not created from NOTHING
Then it is not relevent


Occam

 

Of course, ex nihilo is an illogical starting point, especially from a theistic standpoint. God exists (eternally).

 

Prove it.

 

No.

 

Case closed.

 

LMAO, so true

 

Kharakov.


And occam exists eternally.
Cause religion says his soul is eternal.

So occam has a quality attributed to god.
Is occam a god then.?

HEHEHEHEHE

Occam

 

I don't because you have demonstrated time and time again, that you do not have the mental facilities to understand the proof.

 

Your quackery does not translate into proof.

Give me some physical evidence or AT THE LEAST a logical/reasonable argument. You have failed to do some time and time and time and time and time and time and time...(ad infinity).

 

And kharakov is an off white color.

So kharakov has a quality attributed to the inside of a potato.
Is kharakov a potato then?

 

kharakov is a shit head. Literally.

And apparently wears an asshat to cover it.

 

As long as we are demanding illogical proofs,

Libertine, prove to me that you have tasted cinnamon. Obviously, physiological reactions do not equal proof that you have tasted the qualia of cinnamon.

 

*yawn* Can't you come up with something better than the old "agnosticated" argument?

Shit, I used that back TEN YEARS ago. How odd.

 

Right. How silly of me!