how can atheists use the word "god"?

Yeah, plus what's an Atheist supposed to say when they climax during sex? Big Bang?

 

I´ve forgotten to mention the classic, "OMG!"

 

If youre too dumb to read the thread thats nobody elses fault

 

why should atheists argue with christians when clearly they, the christians, are mentally deranged? If someone is mentally ill, you dont argue with them like theres a possibility for them to show you they are correct because its pointless, its a waste of time, energy, money, and words. We dont argue with mentally ill people we treat them in a caring way until they feel better about themselves and accept that they were confused and got it all wrong, we dont argue with them, we give them medicines to treat their delusions

 

Careful with the assumptions. That may actually mean I´m smart.

 

The unexamined life is not worth living !
People who construct arguments to battle against theism in a way which has consequences, for example in debates involving the legislative body of a country and the politicians that make the laws, must have an argument that is examined for its consistency and validity, logical validity. The way you beat christianity isnt some kid living in their parents basement thinking he is some smart assed wit. You do it by taking apart, deconstructing the arguments of your own side and reconstructing them in a better way. It can take years to formulate the precise argument and meantime you argue the points with your own side before taking them to the enemy. Maybe when you get wise enough, to realise you know fuck all, you will start to learn to have an argument worth criticising
kid, if brains were dynamite, you wouldnt have enough to blow your fuckin' hat off, believe me, no infact ask around a bit
I suggest you start here
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/logic-modal/

 

I think if you look around it's already happening. The fall of islam, the fall of christianity. Slowly but surely the atheists are winning and that is a good thing. At last even the politicians do not have to pretend they kneel before a magical being of some to-be-determined nature and level laws from a holier than thou attitude. Not long ago people thought the muslims were a force to be reckoned with. Now less than a decade on we see they have little support even in the middle east and asia. They are crumbling and so is christianity and judaist theism

 

If a vast majority of people believed in pink unicorns, and pink unicorns were widely described in various books which people saw as holy, and people had little images of things they thought related to pink unicorns everywhere like little pink carrots and pink stables and horns, and knocked on my door to preach to me about the pink unicorns, and told me that I needed to accept pink unicorns into my heart, would I not be able to talk about unicorns until I did so?

I know full damn well what people think this "god" is. There are a thousand different explanations and I've heard a hell of a lot of them. They all involve something invisible, they all involve mystical bullcrap and the vast majority involve some absolutely unbelievable story they got from a book.

I've never believed in Santa Claus, but I know he's said to be a fat guy with a red and white suit.
I've never been to the moon, but I know what it is.

 

That's right so if they tell you that "god" exists, surely the only correct reply is to say "what do you mean by the term "god" in that sentence. To indicate that you cannot accept their definition of the term since they cannot possibly KNOW what they are talking about as they have no empirical evidence. But to get beyond that is surely insane, since if you are just ending up in a continual "yes it is - no it isnt -yes it is - no it isnt" kind of an argument for 3000 years then obviously youre debating things in terms you both appear to understand. HOWEVER, since you are denying the existence of the term "god" as a being that can possibly dictate terms to humans about how they must live, - then to argue that "god does not exist therefore prove god does exist" is an invalid method, as you are asking them to prove the impossible so they resort to finding ways that are mystical and magical to explain how their first premise could be valid so you then stop arguing the validity of their definitions and argue on their terms. Which is pointless and just as insane as if you yourself said you could KNOW what the word "god" means because christians told you what the word "god" means - which is exactly what you are saying, which makes you as insane as they are - hence my point that to defeat christianity you have to stop arguing using their terms

 

For me, it all comes under the same umbrella, and I call that "god" for the purpose of argument. When it boils down to it, it is all superstition, it is all a blind and often dangerously fervent belief in the invisible and unprovable, and I have weighed it all up and decided I'm going to stick with reality. Saying the word "god" doesn't actually make their idea any more real, just like saying the word "geocentrism" doesn't make the Earth the centre of the solar system. If everyone believed that it was, I would happily say that "geocentrism is nonfactual" and it wouldn't give any more weight to their argument at all.

I think the people who are actually muddying the waters here are those believers who are using the term "god" incredibly loosely, as in "god is love" and "god is truth". No...truth and love are truth and love. God is the idea of a divine creator or guardian who is invisible and unproven. If they believe in something, they should at least give it its own name.

 

Well this thread has proved you to be wrong, people do argue with mentally ill people. I suggest you go get some medicine ASAP!
:sunny::sunny::sunny::sunny:

 

Yet it still makes no sense to argue with them as they have no means by which they can prove what they are saying is true, most atheists use that as a line of attack. so why bother asking them to prove it if you already know they cant. It doesnt stop their beliefs it doesnt make a slight bit of difference to them that they cant prove it, they have faith - ahaaaaaaaa say the christians - we got you. at which point everyone who is sane just looks around shaking their heads muttering something about ummm still well ah um er oh ummm yes but what if.
Oh come now, really, I think most reasonable people would call out a psychiatrist if their mother or father were convinced that something was in the attic watching them and controlling their minds and that if you couldnt see it they have faith it exists. I think you might comfort them a little and tell them its ok they will be alright as you had a word with the being and it said they need to talk to mister being remover the local psychiatrist

 

I don't think anyone is really being pushy with asking people to prove god. I mean they should be by rights, seeing as it's being paraded around as the truth everywhere. But no, I think the main atheist message I hear is "Stop being irrational, stop pushing hatred in the name of religion, admit that we do not know, and making stuff up or reading something in a book or hearing someone say something does not make it the absolute truth that must be incessantly rammed down other people's throats. This kind of thinking is backward and childish, not to mention a waste of time that could be spent persuing the actual truth."

Also, as someone who used to have rather silly superstitious beliefs but was shown sense by someone with a clearer head, I have to disagree that arguing the point is futile. It wasn't for me. Yes, for the the deeply ingrained fervent brainwashed believers there is probably no hope, and I just avoid them. Otherwise, it can be interesting and enlightening.

 

Evidently you don't get out much. Israel and Iran aren't setting aside their religious identities. We have many muslim dominated countries that adhere to some form of sharia law. South America is very catholic. You haven't even mentioned the biggest god of all, money, and next comes medicines.

 

Human beings are hard wired to find their good. It doesn't matter if you consider yourself atheist or otherwise. Everyone has some model that they are devoted to. It may be different things at different times of your life. When you are student age perhaps you are devoted to the idea that getting certain level
of education will give you advantages in life. Then perhaps when it is time for a career, you believe that it is wise to save for a retirement, and on.

It is very mainstream normal to be devoted to abstract principles. For instance again, money is just such an abstract belief.

 

It bothers me that the muslim countries are dictatorships and to hold on to their power their minions who run the mosques tell the ordinary people that democracy is incompatible with islam. However, democracy being incompatible with islam is a fact disputed by the majority of muslims. Iran is terrified of democracy simply because the rich people who run the country will have to compete with people who want a secular society and they will no longer be able to keep the people uneducated. Its a fact that they are very heavy handed with those dissidents who protest that democracy IS compatible with islam. However i see these as political arguments not theist arguments.

Money has a very real component to it though, such as the abscence of it leads to starvation and homelessness in some cases, but destitution or desperation in other cases. I agree we are all looking for something in life. That does not mean we must subject ourselves to invisible beings. I believe theism is insipid as it inflicts itself on young minds far too early for that mind to have the experience and knowledge to dispute the facts. I myself was raised in a christian school but later rejected christianity simply because it had no practical application in my life

 

god... shit my head is on fire.

 

no neither do I but I am simply saying that here we are a few thousand years on and still there are people who believe in this magical being and that belief is causing all sorts of political and social problems. The arguments cant continue like this there has to be a new approach to it or else the arguments, the exact same boring repetitive arguments will go on for another 5000 or maybe 10000 years. For sanity's sake someone please stop these christians so i dont have to keep telling them to stop knocking my door and trying to convert me. Please make them stop infecting kids minds with their bullshit so that we can get some peace on earth instead of dealing with the idea that they must blow the fuck out of each other because their nonexistant being is better than someonelses nonexistant being. But to do that we must stop treating them like they had an idea worth arguing against, while still maintaining an opposition to them

wouldnt it have been better if the idea wasnt put there in the first place?

 

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that's hot.



...sorry.