how can atheists use the word "god"?

Apparently not. But here's MY question: If you can make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, is it possible to transform the entire sow?

 

then clearly you believe that your concept of "god" is correct, surely an atheist would simply refuse to acknowledge any idea in the mind that could be associated with the word "god" and merely see the word with no concept attached other than that the person using it was speaking nonesense
rather like when a lunatic insists that they must wash their hands 500 times a day or they will die of being overeducated. you would not argue in their terms and agree that their concept could possibly hold weight if only they could show a connection between the two because you would be arguing ad infinitum with them

 

will you, nao?

You seek to twist my meaning. One can defend themselves physically or verbally, or through a combination of the two. I will defend myself against the "moral" allegations of religion, and against any physical aggression it may direct at me.

Would you care to revise this rebuttal so that it actually means something, maybe makes a point against the things I've said?

I'm glad you're in good spirits. Evil means "very bad", if you are really incapable of understanding standard language. I don't know where you get your information on who coined the word "evil", but made by a christian or not, it's still a word that means "very bad", and I can still use it, just like I can use "god". It's a sound that represents a concept. Is your reality so limited that you can not use concepts that a religious group also uses, many dozens of thousands of years after it's initial inception?

Interesting. I am a more agnostic form of atheist, pure atheism, as yours, is somewhat arrogant and short sighted, as you're showing.

You seem to laugh easily, are you high? These are established words, and they DO have meaning. I'm not going to make a new word for "god" so that I can have ANOTHER word that refers to an imaginary creature, "god" knows there's enough of those words already.

You need to examine my line of attack more carefully. I don't think I said you're theist, but if I did, it's an easy and logical assumption to make.

Atheism does not need to oppose theism, it just needs to be a lack of theism. That is material enough to argue against theism.

It would be fucking stupid of atheists to make new words for theist concepts, or to refuse to accept that these concepts exist in arguing against them. You don't need to give your enemies belief credibility in order to accept that it is what they believe. You must argue in the ballpark of religion to disprove religion, obviously.

Have you ever played halo? Know how needlers kill aliens much better than assault rifles? It's often a lot more effective to use someone's own weapon against them. What if you where on an iron-age battlefield, and decided that because the enemy was using iron BEFORE your people, you would oppose them and their iron with your bare fists, so as not to use the weapons of your enemy? Well, natural selection would sort out THAT foolishness.

I don't need to know exactly what you think to see how fucking stupid this thread and it's whole pretense is from it's title, much less your blundering attempts at telling me that I can't argue against god because that involves god.

I don't think that's a service you need, after all, you can just call me a retard who shit my pants when you run out of pseudo-logic.

Also, your method of "debate", including your inability to write with complete words (ie. "you", instead of "u") makes you look something like a retard that shit their keyboard and then played with it. I don't think you've been an atheist for 20 years, if you're even 20 years old.

 

God as a word is a perfectly good word. It shouldn't twist an atheists panties to allow for every conjugation of the word god. A god could be a little bronze statue or somebody held in esteem like a god of rock n roll.

 

i wont dignify the rest of what you said with anything other than saying "if you cant argue your point dont try and make one, you clearly assumed i was a theist, you clearly had not read or understood what you were attacking and i totally understand that, it takes courage to admit you went off on some pat argument from some dogmatic rant you store up for anyone that attacks your beliefs but saying that i got your argument wrong is nothing short of stupid since the arguments were that you were attacking my belief in god which i dont have"

you are clearly too immature to admit you delivered bullshit and when the bullshit detector went off you tried to wriggle out of it

 

you would have to learn sowing to sow a silk purse from a sows ear.

 

Ok let me set the record straight - the argument for god goes like this
"how did the existence of the universe come to be created if not by some magical being called god"

the atheist replies "that isnt possible because god doesnt exist and if god exists show me how its posible for you to know that

well isnt that ridiculous - how can you say god doesnt exist then say "show me your logical proof for saying god does exist"

what is the point it just gives them more reason to believe what they believe since now you are giving them the opportunity to explain causal circumstances which could be true if only......

then you combat those and they say no no but wait because...

and in the end you just think ahhhh fuck off !! and laugh because you realise that if you are talking to someone who is clearly mentally deluded as to the existence of something and yet the argument is just saying yes he does exist no he doesnt, for 3000 years. There has to come a point where atheists stop and say "you know what, youre insane and we are in the majority now" so lets stop nambypambying around with these people and end the nonsensical discussions with them, lets just treat them like they are loonies, which they are and some of them are criminal loonies as well

 

Only if you want a bacon purse.

Which sounds lovely to me, I rather enjoy eating bacon, and don't have any use for a silk purse.

Maybe a bacon purse, filled with veggies and deep fried?

 

I deem this subject meaningless and void.

I not only will ignore your terminology, (as it is useless and ignorant) I am also rejecting your vocabulary. (to do otherwise would give credibility to the thread, even if I am attempting to refute your claims.)

Podemos seguir el debate cuando se utiliza palabras que yo acepto.

 

sounds like a deal to me - i cant wait - so you promise now you'll stop posting oh goodie oh boy i cant wait

 

Or not.

 

All the time: "Thank God", "For Chrissakes", "Jesus Fucken Christ!" (when looking at a hot piece of ass goes by)...

The list goes on. :biggrin:

 

Wow dude, you have smoked yourself retarded.


If I say I believe in the Easter bunny, then the burden of proof is on me. You don't seem to be too bright, so using metaphors is a complete waste of time. Let's try again. If you say you believe in God, then the burden of proof is on you to show me or whoever that there is a God. That is why Atheist argue with Christians. Christians go around trying to tell people about God. So If Christians are going to go around spewing rhetoric about a mythological being, claiming he exists, then it's hard to refrain from baiting these poor weak minded sheep into an argument that exposes them for what they are. Just because something is not real, doesn't mean you have to omit it from your language. What happens when your family mentions Santa Clause to one of the kids in your family. Do you get all bent out of shape that they say his name even though he does not exist? Eat less paint chips bro.

 

"I won't dignify your superior argument with a response, because I don't have the ability and the facts are on your side, as your previous post clearly showed"

If that's not the case, prove it. You can't come spoiling for an argument, and then decide you're just too good for that argument when things don't look so hot for you.

The whole point of this thread is that stonk isn't smart enough to argue with christians while they have full use of the english language, so he wants to pear out the parts of english that he can't argue with. Doesn't say much in his favor, because I (and most others of my opinion) have no problem arguing with christians when they talk about god and how god created everything or whever. Everything's here, god is just an idea, because god does not exist does not mean that everything else does not exist.

 

Are atheists not allowed to use the word Hell either?

 

no!

Ni el cielo, ni ángel, ni gigantes, ni demonios, ni judio, ni milagro, ni la resurrección o el nacimiento virginal.


Es difícil ser ateo...:dizzy2:

 

It's from the movie, the Pinhead, or was it Hellraiser? The word has a specific meaning, and to the atheist it was not to be messed around with. Similarly "God" didn't have any meaning, and ... why do atheists stop at this point?... considering it's past usage.

The fear of Nietzsche, eh? Yup, I have realized of late; that I must.:mickey:

www.age-of-the-sage.org/philosophy/friedrich_nietzsche_quotes.html

 

Well, I guess I can't talk about aeroplanes, because I'm not an ace pilot, or racecars, because I'm not an F1 driver, or vaginas, because I'm not a woman, or fonts, because I'm not a typesetter, or corn, because I'm not a farmer, or LSD, because I'm not a chemist, or.....No, you get the idea.

This would be a facepalm worthy thread, but I can't be bothered to remove my palm from my face to find the image.

 

Isn't the word 'God' really just a job description?

 

I'm an atheist. And yet:

If there is a God, then He is omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent and omnibenevolent.

Don't like conditionals? All right:

Mrs. Gunison is a Catholic and believes God exists.

Don't really see the problem here. Unicorns don't exist, yet we can say, 'Unicorns have exactly one horn' and not have fellow English speakers look at us like we're talking gibberish.