How can anyone be a fascist.

I just assumed that as your profile says you are 15 you wouldnt remember these events - its hadly likely that at the time Neil Kinnock kicked them out, you were into politics it was, according to yr profile before you were born.
I actually witnessed the conference at which they were kicked out and by that time was also toying with the idea of joining with the SWP - which I am now glad I did not after some of the antics of that particular group. I wasnt patronising you just making a statement of what I considered fact. Infact its probably a tribute to you, if you are only 15, since I dont know whether to rely on your profile as an indication of your age - if you are only 15 you seem to have a grasp on politics that most do not at that age - hence my hesitancy in saying "you probably dont remember" I am always aware that people are not always who or what they say they are online I happen to think you know about the same as someone in their mid twenties. So if you are only 15 then - cool - you know a lot more and have a deeper awareness of the political situation than most people your age.
Militant formed the SWP - thats where the SWP comes from thats all I was saying - The SWP are devout Marxists - I've had enough dealings with them to know that they are almost religiously Marxist and hardly listen to reason

I must say that I dont like the SWP for this very reason. They are not buying into them - they ....
well to my way of thinking they tend to steal other peoples thunder, if you know what i mean?
The final straw for me was some years ago when the students at UCL organised a demonstration against college loans etc, and these students spent weeks organising this with no need of outside help - then the SWP found out and stuck their banners up everywhere claiming it was their march and their stewards turned up with loudhailers telling everyone what to think. If the TRUTH be known about that demo it was actually initiated by the tutors who actually were against the government too and it pissed a lot of the tutors off too.
I had seen this a few other times and in a few other ways - It just pissed me off one last time and since that time I never bothered going to meetings or reading their rag really.

My own background is that my father was a hardline union man for the T&GWU. He started as a "Shop steward" and worked his way up to the point of being one of their permanent representatives. I was raised in a working class background with affiliations to unionism and the labour party - I became a communist and now have more sympathy with anarchists

Its Ok if you like them its after all just personal opinions isnt it?
What did you make of that list ?- I havent looked at it yet

 

I am 15, and whilst no, i was not alive, many people werent alive during events they know about (ie, those that study WWII, many did not live through it).

Whilst i agree with your criticisms of the SWP, I still beleive that they peddal a reformist agenda.


And the list is very telling of the left... It's missed a fair few groups, but is still rediculously big.

 

Fascist Ideology much like Communism has never been fully achieved, I however was once a Commie and foudn out that Communism can never be achieved because of the average human being, our free will. However Fascism can be achieved because it is based on forcefully creating a society that is the most efficient, productive and convenient.

So for those who ask questions such as " how can anyone be a fascist " I say you have to trully read into Fascism, and not the stupid internet definitions or rants from idiot Skin Heads online, okay, seriously read into to it, and maybe in the end you'll still see it as evil, or maybe you won't, that's free will, that's teh freedom to think, and the freedom to think provides many to choose what they believe is right, and for me, at the current time, it's Fascism, maybe I'll change, maybe I won't, but what really sickens me right now is how ignorant people argue on what they do not trully understand or yet comprehend.

 

maximus for a self-proclaimed fascist you convey little understading of your supposed beliefs. fascist "ideology" has never fully been acheived, because it's not defineable as a coherent ideology..there exists no fascist manifesto or general declaration...it has existed only in the handful of authoritarian states of 20th century europe and even there only a handful of consistencies exist...fascism combines elements of corparatism, militarism, rampant nationalism, and is at its core totalatarian. but since there have only been a handful of fascist states in the history of the world, a seemingly minute difference in say the salazar regime and hitler's germany could represent a large enough percentage of fascist states to undermine applying what happens in either to a meaningfully encompassing definition of facism.

you say you used to be a communist, but somehow had such a great shift in your inherent ideals that you became fascist...all in 19 years? communism represents a collective ownership and fascism generally operates under a free market economy with great priority given to the interest of select corporations. quite a shift...

ok ill stop beating around the bush. basically, you have no idea what you are talking about and are a fuckbag. you read about an italian dictator and decided that was the new alternative political philoshopy of the day for you, then bashed others for "not trully understanding or yet comprehending" something that you yourself don't understand. way to go.

 

Ahhh, some things never change.

 

First off, who the hell are you? Are you trying to be some high and mighty teacher sitting on your ass near a computer somewhere, telling of all people me, about how I'm wrong about politics. You have no idea, politics is at least 20% of my life, I'm taking a Specialist degree in Poli Sci, people can change you arrogant dimwit. There's a little something called the FASCIST DOCTRINE by Mussolini, your flagrant false belief in yourself and your knowledge astounds me.

 

Maximus, let me first say I at least admire that you have enough courage of conviction to put your beliefs up for examination. That will not stop me opposing them, ridiculing them, in fact. But at least you are being more honest than most fascists, that hide behind a wall of veneer

20% as a measurement of time - or as a measurement of the amount of your thinking that goes into it? So what if youre studying a degree in politics - it doesnt teach you everything about politics merely gives you a reference point for questions about politics - er teaches you that you know less than you think so better think some more I expect - if other degree courses are anything to go by -Will you wear your armband on campus or leave that naughty little pleasure till you get back home when no-one is around?

(BWOUHA !.. no no I'll stop that- no laughter yet) and what expectations are those ????? So we just give up being men and be slaves to the state yeah?? what are you hoping to be a man or a slave

Hmmm an I make of it thats its a piece of shit which solves nothing politically except its own glorificaion, and has no future if reasonable decent people merely show it to be a losers course of action. We can sit here laughing at it all day - are you gonna start calling me names now for saying that? go on give it a shot I need a laugh

Oh so you get a say but those who dont believe what you believe are idiots - so if these idiots are too stupid to realise that fascism is the best thing for them - it means potential supporters are idiots doesnt it - thats what youre saying by calling people idiots - theyre too idiot to realise what good policies are - why go after the idiot supporter why not try to get the intelligensia involved or arent they sufficiently unintelligent to understand what fascism implies.

it would seem they can except as above you have to ask - if people are dimwits when they oppose you - why should anyone believe those people are something else when they support you - I suggest that if you want an ounce of sense in politics you stop believing people are idiots and do something to reach them on their level of intelligence - If people read policy documents and agree abortion is ok - they are idiots according to you - so when they now read your policy document and change policy to observe abortion is inhuman - why should we believe that same person is not still an idiot - leopards dont change their spots overnight - could it be your policies are not intelligent enough - stop insulting peoples intelligence and actually appeal to it instead !!!!

Besides which we have all had dreams of leading a nation to glory - believe me I have met 19 year olds with a well developed sense of politics that got somewhere in their party, conservative, socialist and liberal alike- they have far more sense of history in their words than you do! Prepare to be a slave if your fascist party gets empowered - there are better thinkers out there and they dont suffer fools
Talking of which - hows nick Griffin getting on ? hahahahahah Nick Griffin The man who, if brains were dynamite, wouldnt have enough to blow his hat off - Just proves why they dont get anywhere in the UK

 

I have no fascist products, except some books, and books are just that, books.

No, they are ignorant and have too much freedom.

I bet there are, but you know little of me and my life, and I assure you, if society falls to a new low, I will be there to get them back up. I'm not a blind man who believes that in today's Canadian society, I with my ideologies will prevail. No, I indulge in the best years of my life, hopefully by 25, I will be a lawyer, there are many lawyers, I'm not saying I'll be the best defence lawyer in the country, I'm not that naive. I'm not even an active fascist, there are few people in my life that know my true beliefs. With that said, I will never be a slave, if worst comes to worst I'll take the easy way out.

The BNP is not the same as what I support. It's like comparing Canadian Conservatives to Republicans.

 

No hang on a minute just do something unusual for you and THINK for a minute about what is being said

If a man called, for example - dave) is a policy maker and with other people
decides that he supports abortion -
according to you he is ignorant !
so anyone who supports abortion is ignorant - now
you want these ignoramuses to change their opinion and support you
so now you are saying that if these ignoramuses switch and support your policies they are no longer supporting abortion but they are ignorant !
Well forgive me I am not that unintelligent to even argue with your policy
but I dont believe your answers are anything more than imature responses to what adults around you talk about

 

Yes.

Well most, there are always some few exceptions. People who support abortion in rare cases for example.

No, if they switch their stance, out of free will ( instead of being forced to ) that simply means they've come out of their ignorant shell, when it comes to abortion anyway.

 

politics makes up 20% of your existence? i would imagine there would be some internal political implication to almost everything you encounter as a fascist? you've just broken down your awarness into numbers and rattled of a serious of irrelevant "credentials". respect yourself more than that, be willing to stand behind your statements. i dont care what you do. your experiences are your own. don't validate yourself to me. im sorry i was agressive earlier. i still think facsits are fuck bags.

shanti brother.

 

Only an idiot would openly admit in our society about being a fascist.

 

Clearly, well what other kind of fascist is there? They cant appeal to intelligent people so their arguments always end up in aggression and talk of taking over and killing off people that they dont agree with. Theyre just sad little people with a dismal and small outlook on life

portrait of a naked fascist

 

No, those are Nazis and Skinheads. I keep telling you people that Fascism is a complicated ideology that takes years to understand. I'm still very much learning how it works. I can't even admit to knowing all there is about Communism and I was a Commie for several years.

 

what was that between the ages of 17 and 18 when you were a socialist- get a girlfriend my son, and forget this stuff its out of your league right now - if you cant even attempt to explain fascism in a paragraph and its relation to nazism then you should give it up -
Its as simple as this - fascism is a spectrum of ideologies broadly focused on a right wing analysis of social life and its economic constituence. Nazism is one of those ideologies which found its fruition in the Nazi Party of Germany during the 1930's and 1940's. Historically speaking Fascism amounts to the belief in National identity and a dismissal of a purely marxian or purely liberalist rendition of social and economic factors that condition the political life of a nation. It asserts the primacy of predominant race and typically seeks the exclusion of undesdirable elements that need not merely be criminals but intellectuals that espouse oppositional viewpoints. Fascists typically revert to social darwinism and assert that the state need not be a legislature that upholds the rights of individuals but asserts the primacy of the state. The state being the supreme arbiter of proper social interaction and economic affairs. A fascist state is one in which the individual subjugates themselves to the states interest.

For all your faffing around and saying I believe this and that etc - its not the fact that you are a fascist that bothers me - but that you dont understand it - yet lend your support to it !
Thats just plainly dangerous - please take my advice and dont get caught up in the fascist thing to the point where others use you - if you get in trouble on their behalf they will disappear and leave you to it- believe me!
In the end you will realise that fascism is hollow and there really isnt that much to understand - it really is that dumb as a concept. Like the extreme left wing it is populated by discontents - malcontents, who fail to see how to survive in the existing order - but I can safely say that unlike the leftwing the right has no intellectuals whatsoever (except in France)

 

I was a Communist from 12-16 and a Socialist at 17, last 2 years I've jumped to right wing, I had to do a lot of reading.

I've had more than my share of good times and girlfriends. Who the hell are you to tell me I'm out of anything. I don't know your age, or where you live, or ANYTHING, for all I know you could be a 15 year old loser who found an intelligent article on the web about fascism and you pasted it on as your post, with some changes.

 

No - I'm just someone who actually grew up with a lot of political people around them - from a leftwing background. I didnt want to get too involved its a rough business where words and symbolism are all you have - too much thought and energy required to avoid the mistakes - we all make mistakes - I just think you are making the mistake of talking about things you havent understood. Good politicians have either a very developed sense of the implications of words or a developed sense of political prudence. It is one thing to know your history and another thing to make history.
In order to make history you cannot isolate people - you need to include them -
you seem to advocate fascism as a politics of exclusion - which I think it is - but you dont make a good enough case for it to be seen in any other light - a decent politician does.
Oh and BTW just for the record - I wrote that paragraph inside 5 minutes flat with no corrections an with only one reference taken from the wikipedia article of fascism but resaid in my own way to show I had understood it.

which was added in about 10 mins after posting the original without it

If you want to make a good case you have to SHOW that you understand it - not just pass off the fantasy that the state under fascism will solve all peoples problems - it wont people have a historical reference - one that cost literally 100's of millions of lives - they aint as stupid as you believe they are

 

Yeah, so did I, most of my family is from the East, most from the former Soviet Union, I left in 95 when I was 8. Thing is, I have too much to think about at this point in my life and it's one thing to talk to someone for an hour on the subject but it's another to write out your beliefs on the internet.

 

Can I ask a quetion?
If your mom came from the USSR why live a dream of fascism?
Wasnt stalin enough of a murderer? Why dont you forget all that stupidity about left and right and who said what and why fascism is better. Communist-socialists are just as fascist as fascists. So why not learn about a less extreme form of politics, one that has difficult solutions but promotes happiness to the gratest number of people. Why not be utilitarian rather than dwell on politics that pits man against man?

 

My mother left when the Soviet Union collapsed because Gorbachev screwed up, she loved it when Breshnev and Kruschev ruled the country.

After doing a LOT of research over the last few years, for me its safe to say Fascist dictatorship beats out the blindfolded " free " world we live in today, Canada. U.S. ext.

That's my opinion.