How can anyone be a fascist.

You are very young man to have these fucking hard core beliefs. I have a question to pose, why would a person with such beliefs post on hip forums? I do like healty debate. However, you seem to be hardcore with your beliefs.

Click on the following links: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/fascism

 

Fascism is the idea that a small minority has both the wisdom and justification to determine the working and living decisions for an entire nation of people. It is not a fair system and any leader who would deny its people basic rights generally don't have the people's interests at heart.

Mussolini forced Italian troops to occupy large areas of the medditeranean (most against their will, which is why they were a poor army), ultimately helping the Nazi cause, by slowing all efforts to invade central Europe and dismantle the third reich.

Fascism has nothing to do with thinking a country is best. Fascism dictates that its leaders are the best. Why don't you do some reading?

Do you realise that in the Spanish Civil war, the voluntary socialist militias had a very tiny number of desertions, while thousands of people we're willing to walk away from the Fascist army, many joining the other side?

Do the math.

 

Yet the Nationalists still won, ironic.

 

Trust me, I might only be 19, but Politics and History is like a third of my life ( the other being sports, women and my writting ).

I'll give you a question and where I stand on it:

In a war, a grenade is thrown into the middle of a group of five men, one of those men is you, another of those men is a scientist, another is a doctor, another is a great sniper, another is an idiot, you are a ( whatever job you believe is important ), there is not enough time to run away, who will jump on the grenade to save the others?

Now, there's many ways to ask that question, instead of 5 men there could be 5 women, or instead of 5 people there could be 10, whatever is best for you, but there has to be an idiot in that pile, or an individual who's worth is the least of the group, that individual must be sacrificed to save the others who are more important.


Now you tell me where you stand on that.

 

Where do you live Son? If its the United States you'll find that delegating the role of idiot is a near impossible task because nobody can decide who the fuck the idiot is.

I suppose under fascism, the leader gets to decide. How convenient.

 

I live in Canada, we have many retards, and borderline retards, they're all expendable.

 

The one with the most courage and a sense of self sacrafice for greater good. It would be someone who does it of their own free will. Its not like if this situation came up you would be able to call the "great leader" to decide for you anyway.

 

I'd throw the idiot on the grenade.

 

The root of fascism is miseducation (or plain lack of education)


thats why the likes of the Brittish Nationalist Party are made up of white working class males.

 

Facist Systems emerged to controll states in the 1930

due in part to promises of security to voters who elected them.
The world was in an economic depression.

Voters were suckered in by promises of medical and old age care
free education and other social benefits.

Problem was that the amount of cash required to provide all of these goodies
was so great that Facists had to resort to confiscatory taxation.
Therefore the populations had to grant the goverment a level of power
suitable to coherce and rob people of thier savings.
This power was then turned to war and agression.

The people voluntariy surrendered the power to the Facists because they belived that they were going to be taken care of.
Then when domestic resources proved insufficent, they thought to take them from thier neighbors.

The system was fueled by jealousy and envy of the posessions of other nations. Facists tapped into resentment.

People easily bought into demonizing Jews, Gypsies and Gays as sources of thier problems, people bought into the big lie.

Even here in America we had our Big Man who packed the supreme court.
and was elected President an unprecedented four times on promises to take care of the people.

As a Hippie, I find good karma in eliminating jelosies and resentments and
am extremely wary when goverments take-on the features of moralists
and care givers.


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Ah that explains why Hitler came to power ! The German establishment were a thick as two short planks ! Actually Hitler managed to persuade quite a lot of high ranking intellectuals and artists that he was right - before he had any power at all

 

In fascism today, the vast majority of fascist parties are poorly educated working class folk. Thats a fact.

 

It is. Sad, the true doctrine of Fascism could only have been achieved by Mussolini, and since his country lacked many things to make Fascism work, the true greatness of Fascism was never achieved, remember people, Nazism is not Fascism. Now of course those " fascist " parties are just a bunch of moronic skinheads.

 

Yes that is a fact but dont underestimate who is REALLY behind those people. A professor of economics once told me that whenever a Labour government comes to powwer in the UK
you get a proportional rise in rascism and racist issues springing up. (his words have a lot of truth to them, I now know.) His inference being that many hardline - rightwing tories (some of them very powerful in their own party) infact have tendencies toward fascism and would not mind one iota if once and for all - a hardline right wing party took power. You will find those people (quite powerful and intelligent people) are often in the background of such parties. As an example Paul Foot - the son of Michael Foot (a labour prime minister) was a high ranking member of "Socialist Workers Party" basically an extremist communist party. You would hardly call him stupid, and the right wing have an intelligensia too.

What, you mean like a large number of Jewish people to blame everything on? Or do you mean that the people were not really in support of it? Nazism is the doctrine of a Nationalist Socialist Party - Usually these parties firmly base their politics on the understanding that a nation is great if free from foreign influence. This extends to the notion that other races are inferior to ones own race. Mussolinis Fascist party adopted many if not all the doctrines of Hitlers Nazi party. I dont think that in the light of the people these parties killed for no other reason than being of a different, race, opinion, religion, etc you can say it is a great doctrine - it got crushed in a little under 20 years due to the fact that they had no support outside their own countries and only support by intimidation within their own country

wrong way around Fascism is not Nazism - Nazism is a form of fascism -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

 

Mussolini created Fascism, Mussolini's Fascist Government came to power in 1922.

Yes, and the difference of what I said is.....

 

But you are implying that Nazism is not a form of fascism and it is - fascism is a group of similar ideologies Nazism being one of them.
Nazi politics were not the whole of fascism, but fascism was the whole of nazism

 

SWP, extremeist communist party? I know my left groups in Britain, and that is a simply ludicrous claim. I'd also like to see some evidence to back up your rise in rascist incidents claim.

 

Well the SWP is hardly a nice liberal little party is it - its roots actually come from
"Militant" the Leftwingers who were branded in the press as "the loony lefties". They are basically a radical leftwing organisation whos aim is to bring socialism and re-nationalisation of industry. Militant, you probably wont remember were kicked out of the labour party by the idiot Neil Kinnock and they latched on to the SWP.
http://www.marxist.net/openturn/intro/script.htm?6.htm

The rise in rascism is brought about because the left wing usually relaxes imigration laws to such an extent it allows people to voice their criticism. and it allows the extremists on the tory party to vent their anger in other ways than through parliament, such as the anti euro parties and by semifascist groups within the tories blurting out offensive literature

Incidentally I found this as I was searching for references - I know you are interested in the left wing - it appears to be some kind of list and dates
listing the leftwing groups and their ... how can I say it ?...
their time in history.
I dont know, I found it interesting - it made me remember the molesworth group (I forget now what they did but am going to look back into them) Hope its some use to you - I'm not saying I'm a 100% right about the rascism bit but I know my labour party history and my communists etc - SWP is pretty radical

Anyway have a butchers at that list - I thought it was quite interesting but spent all of 20 seconds looking at it

Code:

http://72.14.221.104/search?q=cache:pfwyqLwLlc4J:microformguides.gale.com/Data/Download/9007000.rtf+labour+party+militant+1980%27s&hl=en&gl=uk&ct=clnk&cd=10&client=firefox-a

 

Going back to the Nazism/Fascism argument a few posts above, a short clip from everyone's favorite online encyclopedia:

Nazism differed from Italian Fascism in the emphasis on the state's purpose in serving its national ideal on the basis of a national race, specifically the social engineering of culture to the ends of the greatest possible prosperity for the Germanic race at the expense of all else and all others. In contrast, Mussolini's Fascism held that cultural factors existed to serve the state, and that it wasn't necessarily in the state's interest to serve or engineer any of these particulars within its sphere. The only purpose of government under Fascism was to uphold the state as supreme above all else, and for these reasons it can be said to have been a governmental statolatry. Where Fascism talked of "State," however, Nazism spoke of the "Volk" and of the Volksgemeinschaft (the "national community").

While Nazism saw both party and government as a means to achieve an ideal condition for certain chosen people, fascism was a squarely anti-socialist form of statism that existed as an end in and of itself. The Nazi movement, at least in its overt ideology, spoke of class-based society as the enemy, and wanted to unify the racial element above established classes. The Fascist movement, on the other hand, sought to preserve the class system and uphold it as the foundation of established and desirable culture [citation needed], although this is not to say that Fascists rejected the concept of social mobility. Indeed a central tenet of the Corporate State was meritocracy. However, Fascism also heavily based itself on corporatism, which was supposed to supersede class conflicts.

 

Why do you feel the need to patronize me? I am in the group that continued working in the labour party after the millitant split. I also know my labour party history. I know of the SWP. They are not "extremist communists", they buy into reformist socialist parties (such as the SSP in Scotland up until a few weeks ago).

I now see what your saying about Labour leading to a rise in racism... Its a shame though, considering we need migrant workers to keep the economy afloat.