Houston Tx School Shooting

MeAgain · May 19, 2018

GeorgeJetStoned said: ↑

It's amazing to me that I can walk into just about any school in the US and make substantial progress before anyone asks who the hell I am. If I wear a suit, I double this time frame. If I'm carrying something academic-looking, like a globe, a plastic medical skeleton or a box of computer parts, I can probably have the run of the place.

What I don't get is why the school staff aren't concerned with saving their own lives. Seems like they'd welcome a tall fence, key card access and armed guards to keep their own asses safe. And they could demand it under the tried and true "it's for the children" mantra used to justify so many other things they do.

Theme parks have better security. Malls have slightly better security. The lack of security in schools makes me wonder who could possibly benefit from it.
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I don't know what schools you walk into. Around here you must enter through the front entrance by hitting a button and announcing your intention. The door is then unlocked to the office area. You then need a visible pass to access the rest of the building. Teachers and other adult personal all wear visible picture I.D.'s. Access for employees is by the photo I.D. key card.
All employees including teachers are fingerprinted and must pass the Department of Human Services Child Abuse History Clearance, the Pennsylvania State Police Request for Criminal Records Check, and the Federal Criminal History Record Information; all at
their own expense.
Volunteers and independent contractors must also pass background checks.

Tall fences have the same problem as a wall, more so as they're usually porous; they need entrances which then need guards.
Theme parks are for profit enterprises, they have lots of money.
I've never seen a metal detector in a mall.

MeAgain · May 19, 2018

storch said: ↑

Yeah, let's look at these "mass school shootings:

1) A man committed suicide using a gun in an elementary school parking lot when the school was closed and there were no children present in Clinton County, Mich., on Jan. 3.

2) Shots were fired at New Start High School near Burien, Wash., on Jan. 4. No one was hurt or injured, and no suspects were apprehended.

*3) A 32-year-old man shot a pellet gun at a school bus, shattering a window, in Forest City, Iowa, on Jan. 6. No injuries were reported, and the suspect was apprehended.

4) A Grayson College student confused a real gun with a training gun and accidentally fired a bullet into a wall on Jan. 10. No injuries were reported.

5) A 14-year-old seventh-grade student shot and killed himself inside the bathroom of Coronado Elementary School in Cochise County, Ariz., on Jan. 10.

6) Gunshots were fired at a campus building at Cal State San Bernardino on Jan. 10. No injuries were reported.

7) Two people in a car exchanged gunfire at a Wiley College dorm parking lot on Jan. 15. No deaths or injuries were reported and no suspects were arrested, however, one bullet was fired into a dorm room with three female students inside.

8) A Winston-Salem State University football player was shot and killed at a sorority party following an argument in Winston-Salem, N.C., on Jan. 20.

9) A 16-year-old male student shot a 15-year-old female student in the cafeteria at Italy High School in Italy, Texas, on Jan. 22. While the victim was injured, she was expected to make a full recovery. The shooter was arrested and charged with two counts of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. This one we would probably all refer to as a proper "school shooting."

10) An unknown assailant in a pickup truck drove by the NET Charter High School in Gentilly, La., and shot at a group of students on Jan. 22. A 14-year-old boy was initially thought to have suffered a gunshot graze, but it turned out to be an abrasion.

11) A 15-year-old male student shot and killed two students and wounded 18 others at Marshall County High School in Benton, Ky., on Jan. 23. The shooter was apprehended.

12) A 16-year-old student fired a gun at another 16-year-old student during an altercation at Murphy High School in Mobile, Ala., on Jan. 25. No injuries were reported and the suspect was taken into custody.

13) Shots were fired in the parking lot during an altercation between two nonstudents during a basketball at Dearborn High School in Dearborn, Mich., on Jan. 26. No injuries were reported, and no suspects were arrested.

14) A 32-year-old man was shot and killed in the parking lot outside Lincoln High School in Philadelphia, Penn., on Jan. 31 during what police believed to be an altercation between students from rival schools. No suspects were arrested.

15) A 12-year-old female student accidentally fired a real gun thinking it was a fake gun. Four students were injured, including one who suffered a gunshot wound to the head, at Sal Castro Middle School in Los Angeles on Feb. 1. The 12-year-old girl was taken into custody.

16) A teenage boy was shot in the chest and nearly killed by another student who conspired with the boy's ex-girlfriend in the parking lot of Oxon Hill High School in Oxon Hill, Md., on Feb. 5. The suspect was taken into custody and charged with attempted murder.

17) A third-grade student pulled the trigger of a police officer's holstered weapon at the Harmony Learning Center in Maplewood, Minn., on Feb. 5. No injuries were reported.

18) A 17-year-old student was arrested after firing a gun into the floor of a classroom of Metropolitan High School in the Bronx, N.Y., on Feb. 8.

19) The shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla., on Wednesday that left 17 dead.
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You can always spot the hysteria-driven hotheads. They simply buy into whatever the propagandists tell them without so much as a Google search to find out if what they're repeating is accurate.
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I thought the original statistic given in this thread was for school shootings, that is the discharge of a gun in or on school property, not mass shootings.

MeAgain · May 19, 2018

Deidre said: ↑

Federal funding for every school and if that means raising taxes, then so be it. If it can be done at airports, it can be done at schools.
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Airports are for profit enterprises.
Good luck with getting more Federal funds for public schools Trump just cut taxes.

Maccabee · May 19, 2018

Kerri said: ↑

Oh it’s fine then. If only 9 groups of kids were murdered at school by all means keep your lil fetish’s toy
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Projection must be your strong suit. You use it every time the subject is brought up. Could it just be that you and I have different views on how to solve a problem?

Maccabee · May 19, 2018

MeAgain said: ↑

I thought the original statistic given in this thread was for school shootings, that is the discharge of a gun in or on school property, not mass shootings.
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Well, he did only list shootings on school property.

Aerianne · May 19, 2018

MeAgain said: ↑

We've covered metal detectors in schools before, the cost is exorbitantly high. Not that it can't be done but where is the money coming from, especially in poor districts?

Multiple entrances must be manned with detectors or student entry must be staggered due to back up. Some schools have over 2,000 students all needing to be in their first class on time.
All entries without detectors must be secured, such as loading docks. Will armed personal police all building deliveries?
Armed personal must be stationed at each detector.
Multiple personal are needed at each station to run the detector and to further screen those it identifies to avoid log jams. Both a male and female would be needed for searches.
Detectors need to be manned all day and for all after hours activities and building maintenance, including weekends and summer to prevent the hiding of weapons for future use.
Personal must be continually trained and given a living wage.
Detectors need to be maintained, tested, and replaced.
Detectors do nothing for school buses and outside environments, such as the line of students waiting to enter the metal detector.
All ground level windows must be secured at all times.
All adult personal, parents, mailmen, etc. must be screened.
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I think the students are worth it all.

MeAgain · May 19, 2018

GeorgeJetStoned said: ↑

It's as amazing as schools and teachers who blame parents for the lack of results in the classroom. Which makes fertile ground for the likes of Beverly Hall. Education should be a sacred trust where parents and society can rest assured. Instead, it's a political minefield where kids pay the price in the form of extorted grading.
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You have a very simplistic understanding of schools and society IMHO.
Are you telling me all schools and teachers do nothing but blame any classroom short comings on parents?
Extorted grading? What the hell is that?

School districts are political? Really? Do you understand anything about school boards?

MeAgain · May 19, 2018

Aerianne said: ↑

I think the students are worth it all.
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Sure, but try and get the money. And you still have the school bus and football field problem. The shooter just shoots everyone outside the building.

Aerianne · May 19, 2018

MeAgain said: ↑

Sure, but try and get the money. And you still have the school bus and football field problem. The shooter just shoots everyone outside the building.
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For one, maybe the senior citizens who don't pay school tax could begin paying it.

The school bus and sports fields present problems but it's better to install what safeguards you can, where you can, than to not try at all.

Wouldn't you agree?

storch · May 19, 2018

MeAgain said: ↑

I thought the original statistic given in this thread was for school shootings, that is the discharge of a gun in or on school property, not mass shootings.
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Kerri said we’ve had 99 mass shootings this year including a couple dozen in schools. Maccabee asked her to cite something to support her claim, to no avail. Maccabee also brought up the fact that some of what has been referred to as school shootings did not qualify as a mass shooting by any stretch of the imagination. My list confirmed his point.

MeAgain · May 19, 2018

Aerianne said: ↑

For one, maybe the senior citizens who don't pay school tax could begin paying it.

The school bus and sports fields present problems but it's better to install what safeguards you can, where you can, than to not try at all.

Wouldn't you agree?
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Sure.
I don't know about senior citizens. Different states have different laws.
In PA, as in most states, schools are mainly funded by property taxes. As a senior citizen and landowner, I pay property (school) taxes based on property value.

If I don't own property, for example I rent a home, I don't pay for public schools no matter what age I am.

MeAgain · May 19, 2018

storch said: ↑

Kerri said we’ve had 99 mass shootings this year including a couple dozen in schools. Maccabee asked her to cite something to support her claim, to no avail. Maccabee also brought up the fact that some of what has been referred to as school shootings did not qualify as a mass shooting by any stretch of the imagination. My list confirmed his statement.
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I could be wrong, I'd have to check.
Thanks.

Meliai · May 19, 2018

storch said: ↑

Yeah, some idiot gun owner didn't secure his guns. If he went to jail, he wouldn't be a threat anymore. Instead, you want me to be treated as if I were the idiot.

And I will assume you couldn't find any information concerning Australia's surprise home inspections. You brought it up. I'm just asking you to verify it.

And I have not argued against gun control measures. As I've said before, I'm not against background checks. But I am against the confiscation of all guns that hold more than six rounds.
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I'm not sure what you mean by me not finding links, of course there is information out there because Australia had mandatory storage laws and yes, they are enforced by inspections. So yes, there is information out there.

Thats good you're not against gun control, i do recommend looking into laws that have proven very effective for other countries

Aerianne · May 19, 2018

MeAgain said: ↑

Sure.
I don't know about senior citizens. Different districts and states have different laws.
In PA, as in most states, school are mainly funded by property taxes. As a senior citizen and landowner, I pay property (school) taxes based on property value.

If I don't own property, for example I rent a home, I don't pay for public schools no matter what age I am.
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I know different places are taxed differently for property taxes. You're right, renters don't pay that.
Many senior citizens have payed school taxes for years and never even had children.

It's not a perfect science.

Sales tax is the way to get school monies from renters.

Deidre · May 19, 2018

We all care about these tragedies equally, we just have different ideas on how to safeguard schools and other soft targets so this doesn’t keep happening. I think everyone’s ideas are a step in the right direction but I just hope the government starts acting. No more speeches and tweets, I’d like to see actions from our government, that aren’t lip service to the problem.

storch · May 19, 2018

Meliai said: ↑

I'm not sure what you mean by me not finding links, of course there is information out there because Australia had mandatory storage laws and yes, they are enforced by inspections. So yes, there is information out there.
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Yes, I understand that they have mandatory storage laws. However, I haven't found anything to validate your claim that the mandatory storage law includes surprise inspections. Do you have anything in the way of that?

Maccabee · May 19, 2018

Deidre said: ↑

We all care about these tragedies equally, we just have different ideas on how to safeguard schools and other soft targets so this doesn’t keep happening. I think everyone’s ideas are a step in the right direction but I just hope the government starts acting. No more speeches and tweets, I’d like to see actions from our government, that aren’t lip service to the problem.
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Since the Parkland shooting, the Florida governor mandated a school resource officer or trained civillian gaurdian per 1,000 students.

Meliai · May 19, 2018

storch said: ↑

Yes, I understand that they have mandatory storage laws. However, I haven't found anything to validate your claim that the mandatory storage law includes surprise inspections. Do you have anything in the way of that?
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I already clarified they're not always surprise, sometimes the inspector arranges a time

But anyways

It is a condition of all firearm licences that the holder of the licence must permit a member of police to inspect their storage arrangements at any reasonable time.

When you obtain a firearm for the first time, or, when your storage address changes, Divisional Firearm Officers or local police will conduct an inspection of your storage facilities to ensure that you are complying with your storage obligations. Random inspections may be carried out from time to time, with or without notice.

When conducting an inspection, police will also inspect the quantity and type of firearms stored as this determines the nature of the storage required. They will also verify the details of firearms stored at a location.
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Victoria Police - Storage and Safekeeping Requirements for Firearms

Unfortunately putting the father of the Santa Fe shooter in jail now wont bring anyone back to life (and i'm not sure if there are any storage requirements now that would even result in his arrest?)
Mandatory storage laws are essentially worthless without inspections to enforce them

stormountainman · May 19, 2018

Aerianne said: ↑

Greek Orthodox. Ban Catholicism.
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Never thought a Greek would rise up against Texas.

stormountainman · May 19, 2018

Kerri said: ↑

There is an undeniable link between access to guns and the use of guns. That’s the only statistically significant variable unique to the US. I’m not sure this one incident establishes the same link between trench coats and violence.
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The Columbine shooters used trench coats. I think that is a weak link to follow. The real reason behind these shootings must be anger and hype, as in get all hyped up. Aerianne mentioned video games. Maybe these shooters get all worked up and all hyped up on the thrill of doing violence?

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