Hottest Summer in USA in 75 Years!

We did have a stretch of days in july when the temperature reached 97 F, 102 F, and 99 F but its not all that uncommon during the summer.

True statistics show that it's getting warmer but not adversely so - or at least not yet


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I think we have gotten ourselves into this mindset where we expect everything around us to work perfectly, like clockwork, ticking back and forth, repeating the same pattern over, and that includes nature and the planet/solar system. It's a throw back from the last paradigm which dominated the scientific discourse and societal patterns, Newtonian science. Not that I am saying Newton got it wrong, but he only really scratched the surface of mathematical reality. Things might appear to run like clockwork in predefined linear and quadratic form, but those are just the 1st and 2nd derivatives of motion.

There is no such thing as a perfect straight line, anywhere in the universe and likewise there is also no such this as a perfect world.

Nature is not perfect, and change is a natural part of the evolution of everything. I'm no advocate of mass oil extraction but I just don't see it as a major driving force in our climate, that big nuclear furnace in the sky is a powerful beast, as is the magnetic core of our planet. There are way too many factors, and greater factors than a miniscule increase in CO2. So we take measurements and plot graphs, for how many years.. and all of a sudden we know that the global mean temperature is going to rise by so much in the next hundred years!

Anyone ever heard of error bars? Why are there error bars? To accommodate error. So what looks like it is going up does not necessarily represent the reality of what is actually happening to the global mean temperature, which is in itself a poorly defined quantity and virtually impossible to measure anyway. All we can measure is an overall trend, from a small fraction of samples around the world most of which are at precise locations.

This is basic text book statistics! Any scientist who tells you that there is no doubt about the AGWH is lying or a poor scientist. There is NO WAY we can tell how the global climate is going to change over the next hundred years.

Science has gotten it wrong time and time again, or not quite right. It was turned on it's head three times during the last century and had scientists positively baffled, and they are still baffled by a lot of it. The last scientific revelation to turn science on it's head was Chaos theory, and that is the theory upon which climatology is based and used by computers to predict the weather and the climate.

We can predict the weather up to about 5 days fairly accurately now, but after that it's not so clear.

Weather and climate are basically the same thing on different scales, at a fundamental level they are all described by patterns of chaos, and chaotic patterns all contain within them scalar repetition...

But apparently they are different, so they experts tell us, and then everyone jumps on it and uses it as an argument against any logical hypotheses that comes along and undermines the notion that CO2 emissions are significantly altering our climate. They think charts and linear trends represent climate and clouds and wind represent local weather.

I'm afraid chaos theory does work quite like that.

Anyone who calls me a "denier" I call a denier of logic and someone with the inability to think for themselves.

 

Johnny Ball is a "man-made climate change denier" as well I just found out. Found this article saying he got booed off stage a couple of years ago for speaking against the AGWH!

I used to love watching his children's TV show when I was younger, about maths and numbers, they were really interesting!

He was also the rector of my university when I studied physics and gave a lecture one time to my physics class in my final year (1995). It wasn't that interesting really, not as good as his TV shows, and i remember I felt like he was attacking the environmental movement for a bit. Despite that it was still a great to attend a lecture by this guy, who I think nonetheless is an intelligent guy.

Just wanted to throw this in for anyone who thinks that anyone who think all the AGWHysteria is probably bullshit is an idiot.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/en...d-by-atheists-over-climate-change-denial.html

He also apparently advocates nuclear energy, which i am against. Many of my physics lecturers supported nuclear also, not sure if they will now though...

Here's another one. This is apparently the kind of behaviour to expect from the public for voicing an opinion on climate change.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/...ronmentalists-over-climate-change-denial.html

 

Charts, graphs, and scientists with a political agenda aside, the 10 degree temperature change between a suburban road and a country road is enough to convince me that man has the power to alter his environment.

Whats true on a smaller scale is generally true on a larger scale as well.

Thats not to say we aren't experiencing some sort of natural climate change, but man has certainly altered the climate in the last 100 years as well.

 

Of course not. But we know pumping greenhouse gases into the atmosphere will warm it.

 

There could be so many factors in the world getting warmer. I'd say number one would have to be increased solar activity, and I think we're in the most active sun period ever. Hmmm...

If temperatures have risen so fast over the last hundred years, why is this the hottest summer for 75 years? Seems a nice long time between hot hot summers.

It's mostly raining and grey in England, just how I like it

 

Two very misinformed "opinions" there.

First, we are in a period of solar cooling and even if that wasn't the case, the effect of solar variation on climate is much smaller than the effect of greenhouse gases.

Second, the fact that this summer is the hottest for 75 years doesn't preclude last year's summer from being the second hottest, and the year before that being the third hottest, and so on.

 

How do we know that!

These are just words, emotive and -logic

You fail, yet again, to convince me that a slight change in the relative abundance of a basic, life sustaining molecule like CO2 has anything other than the following effect overall on the vastly complex patterns of our climate/universe = fuck all

 

And i'm not going to try to convince you. This is basic shit. The research is out there, I'm not going to waste time retrieving it for you.

 

@Walsh

There's more than one?

I think they were both saying the same thing, essentially. It's all down to how to interpret their words.

I brought up Krishnamurti because I think a lot of the hysteria surrounding climate change has a lot to do with the fact that we have so much knowledge to deal with, more than ever before, whereas in the past civilisations would have been none the wiser towards impending climatic change and would either have had to adapt or die.

What are we doing to try to adapt to every possible outcome now?

We're not even preparing ourselves for the worst case scenario, which we are told is definitely going to happen, unless we stop burning oil, which as we all know is not likely to happen.

So that basically leaves us with an impending apocalytic future, but even then we are still pre-occupied with making things work, even though we know they are not going to ever this way. there are no contingency plans in place for what we are going to do when it all goes 'tits up'

So what is the point in even discussing this then?

 

That mini ice age in the 16th century that created the great famine.. must've been due to all the vehicles and industrial plants that pumped COx and other greenhouse gases into the air...

The reality is our industrial and personal pollution is barely the tip on the iceberg compared to the amount of COx and such that is pumped into the atmosphere from coal seam and natural gas fires that have been burning for 100's and 1000's of years.. and the constant COx output from volcanoes...

We should be focusing on how to deal with the fact of another mini ice age instead of "how to stop it".. the problem with humans... trying to fix mother nature.. instead of trying to adapt to it

 

I know I'm probably wrong but the statement "Hottest Summer For 75 Years!" makes me think that 75 years ago there was a hotter summer.


I said that the sun was active, I didn't say in what way it was active. The effect of solar variation on climate... I think if you consider the regions of the world, solar variation has produced a great deal of variety and change to many different areas, some entirely seperate than others in how dramatic that change is. I believe Russia's cereal harvests suffered somewhat this year from unusual levels of sun and not much rain. Greenhouse gases have yet to produce this sort of evidence for our eyes to see and know what is happening, so I have to say it is the lack of clouds or more sun on the earth... I hate to mention chemtrails for those of you who might despise them but chemtrails are themselves laid out overtly as a possible solution to "climate change".

Climate change... This is the thing... What does that mean. It used to be global warming, we all knew then. Temperature was going up and that was bad but climate change is a different bucket of crabs. One of the effects of global warming, for all scientific purposes, should be the interruption of systems like the gulf stream. You probably know that the gulf stream is caused by cool water from mountains on the American continent causing warm air and water to be drawn towards Europe. In theory, the gulf stream's reaction to too much cold water from those mountains would mean a lot less heat being moved over to Europe, so places like Britain would actually grow colder for quite some time in the process of global warming.

What's it all going to do in the end, anyway, this climate change? Nobody bloody knows, nobody knows if we can even stop it or if we have a hand in it. People worry about sea levels but they are actually raising at a very forgiving pace, we have plenty of time to make provisions should we want to preserve things the way they are. I feel sorry for the wild life, like the polar bears that have to swim where once they could walk. All we can do is try not to do any more damage, just in case it was us. We all know that's probably not going to happen at this rate! Lol!

 

Hi mustivelife

attention to stories like that one of the polar bears

its a hoax like the rest of "AGW" theories.

http://www.naturalnews.com/033370_polar_bars_scientific_fraud.html

 

It was 90 degrees at my house yesterday at 4pm. Too hot brother n sisters.

 

And what about the evidence supporting alarmist theories which suggest it could disappear altogether with so many decades (in the summer anyway).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwest_Passage

 

So what happened the last time(s) it opened up and people used it as a shipping route?

Ans. It eventually froze up again.