Horrific crime in London - man beheaded in broad daylight

Wrong, he NEVER claimed any type of religious motivation for his acts of terrorism. His was purely a politically motivated act. Don't believe me?, read it in his own words;

http://www.truthinourtime.com/2010/02/19/timothy-mcveighs-manifesto/

once again Hotwater is ice cold.

 

Turn it into one big Holy Land Theme Park.

 

Not beheaded, but...

Oslo, 2011. 77 killed.

Anders Briviek, was a christian extremeist. In his manifesto he wrote about Muslims taking over Europe and classed himself as a 'christian crusader'. His murders were a plot to target a mass number of people in a political setting, in order for people to hear about him and read his manifesto.

Uganda.

The Lord's Resistance Army, lead by Joseph Kony has engaged in an armed rebellion against the Ugandan government, has been accused of using child soldiers and committing numerous crimes against humanity; including massacres, abductions, mutilation, torture, rape, and forced child labour as soldiers, porters, and sex slaves. Joseph Kony proclaims himself the spokesman of God.

America.

The Klu klux klan. Their ideology included white supremacy, white nationalism, nativism, anti-communism, christian terrorism, anti-catholicism, antisemitism, homophobism and neo-fascism. They were predominantly protestant, and eventually used their ideals against those who didn't agree. They were just... Horrendous.

 

Just to be clear - does he consider himself a Christian?

 

Apparently so.

 

I think the point is, people kill other people for a variety of of reasons, and excuse their behaviour in all manner of ways. So, this guy proclaimed one thing. Well, other e.g's show they proclaimed something else. I think the point is, they are all on the same level of evil, and sickness. Religion might not always be a motivating factor, and to be honest, when these types of atrocities occur, it rarely is. I could be misreading other peoples point, though, I guess.

 

OK, of those three, I'll give you the first guy.

The other two examples I'm not as quick to call "Christian".

But, the main point I tried to illustrate is that the religious teachings of Islam condone and encourage the type of violent actions we see taking place, The New Testament doesn't.
It is that simple.
There are always going to be batshit crazy extremist no matter what the political/social/environmental/religious/cultural arena, ALWAYS!

That is why I take a look at what these folks say is the political/social/environmental/religious/cultural motivation or inspiration for their violence.

 

Had one passerby been carrying a concealed weapon, they could have stopped this killing.

 

It won't let me rep you again, but I would if I could.

 

What do you know - you don't even live here etc etc

 

I don't, and I don't want to bring up debate in light of this tragedy. But I will say I am glad I live in Florida, US.. where if some crazy fuck tries something like this they will be the one leaking on the street and not the victim.

 

How is this ***er even allowed to roam free?

 

How would they have stopped a killing after it happened with a gun? Does the gun cause time to travel? Or do you just imagine everyone would have their hand on the trigger when they spotted a terrorist?

That's silly.

Also the UK like a sixth of our murder rate, so while that one guy would have been saved, 6 more people would have been shot in domestic disputes and shit.

I like guns man, but pft.

 

From what I can gather, Lee was run over first. So from an onlookers perspective it may have looked like a terrible accident. An eyewitness said that she saw somebody, apparently, trying to help Lee - but then later realised it was the person who killed him. So I am not sure Joe folk living in Florida could have prevented it from occurring.
I doubt if the same thing happened in the same way in Florida it could have been prevented.
I guess there isn't any street crime in Florida, and nobody gets murdered on the streets...

To be fair, you don't have to live here, I wasn't being serious. Just think of the situation, the timeline of events, and what people did/did not see - then wonder if it could have been stopped.
For that, you can live anywhere in the world.

 

*shrugs shoulders* - he's just a rent a quote.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22650578

Why the BBC have him on is beyond me. They know exactly what he will say.
Imagine the conversation:

BBC researcher: 'Hi, Anjem, are you free Thursday night?'
Anjem: 'I'll have to look at my diary, but I think I am.'
BBC researcher: 'Ok, I'll give you a call a little later, or you can call the office. Oh, and as you know, we'll have to have you in about an hour before your on for hair and makeup.'
Anjem: 'Ok, no problem, probably see you later.'

 

I was quoting Abu Barra who claims to be the terrorist's friend, blames the attack on the British government and predicts more attacks.

 

No, I think it would be quite the opposite. If we were allowed guns, those two men would have had guns, and probably would have caused a massacre. Lots of the passersby were just walking back from the shops, from work, or to get their kids from school.

Fuck being reliable on a gun.

 

The other man is shown aiming a gun at officers as he runs in a different direction. Police are heard firing eight shots in total at the two men.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22650578

Agh, fair enough. I can see that now. My eye was drawn to the middle rather than the start and the end.

 

I know, but his gun was shite. Imagine if he had a proper gun, or two. An eye witness said that his gun back fired, which can be common in illegal amatuer made guns. If these men had had automatics or shotguns that had been made and distributed legally, they could have (and I believe would have) caused much more damage.

The victim had a 2 year old son. And many of the crowd were parents, too much loss could have happened. I just think guns cause unneccisary damage and I'd much rather war be fought the old way, with swords and one on one combat. At least then you are actually fighting, not just hiding behind a gun. Sorry, I know nobody will agree with me here, but I just think guns are one of the most stupid inventions humans created. The fact that people have to protect themselves and their belongings alone is sad, we definitely chose the wrong path as humans.

 

MamaPeace

Ok, I see what you mean. fair enough. Yeah, I agree.

It would be nice if guns were never invented, I agree with you there, too.
I also think guns are one of the most stupid inventions humans created.
Especially in the hands of some people that shall remain nameless.

I can't really imagine warfare with out guns...
It would, perhaps, be a lot more bloody, and a lot more people would be killed.
Perhaps even more drawn out. I dunno.
We'd probably just drop bombs o...oh, yeah, we do.
I'd like to agree with you on that one, but I think it probably wouldn't help a great deal.