homosexuality

You know what I find funny? All of this stuff is from Leveticus. Leveticus is in the Old Testament. Jewish people use the Old Testament. That is in the Old Testament. Christians use the New Testament.

 

Well, I thought they used both.

As in.. the new testament follows on from the old.

Christians still believe Homosexuality is a sin as it says in the Old Testament but they also believe that Jesus died for their sins as it says in the NEW

but I guess it all depends on interpretation of the idividual.

p.s. HuckFin... you seem rather an angry person to say that you have let the light of God and Jesus into your life

Love Clairexxx

 

Christ came to fulfill the law. There were three (maybe four) types of laws. There were dietary, moral, societal, and ceremonial laws. Dietary and Ceremonial could be combined into one. As a general rule, laws and instruction that begin with "thou shall" or "thou shalt not" are moral laws. Everything else is either societal or ceremonial. Jesus Christ completely fulfilled the Ceremonial Law (He was the FINAL sacrifice, so there is no more need of a Holy of Holies... which is why the veil in the temple was torn). So anything in the Old Testament that is a ceremonial law can be considered completed in the life and death of Jesus Christ. The societal/cultural laws tie in MORE with the moral laws, but they are things that deal with social interaction between human beings. They do not always apply to us now as we have a different culture and different societal customs. The moral laws, however, deal directly with God's interaction with man. As God is unchanging and absolute, so are the moral laws of the old testament. Therefore, when the OT says that "thou shalt not do x because it is an abomination" we know that it still applies today.

Anyway, there is more to it than that. Hermeneutics is more complex than I have stated above, but that is the long and the short of it.

 

You know what I love... people who play God...

We can NEVER know the essence of God, but we can know His nature, through creation, the Bible, the Qu'ran and other religious writings. (dont write me off as a ecumenical liberal... for two reasons.. 1. you dont know me and 2. who cares if i am, my view is still as valid as yours)

However, back to the nature of God... the question we must ask is what is the model God has given us for relationship. I believe it to be this...

Love, commitment and sacrifice.

These three qualities are modelled by God in the trinity and to us his people. Now if that is Gods nature, then a relationship which modells these attributes follows Gods plan for relationship.

promiscuity, lust and greed are negatives in a relationship... the 'anti gay' verses in the Bible are all based upon these traits. The relationship between two COMMITTED men or women is (in my interpretation of the Bible) permitted.

What does God want from us, commitment to Him, His Church and each other...

P.S. here was me thinking there was only one unforgivable sin... ha, i guess God forgot to write it down that being Gay meant an eternity in Hell! ooooh controversial!!

 

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just to clarfy...

do people have a problem with other people posessing the belief that homosexuality is wrong in general?

or is it that people have a problem with the belief when action is implimented?

ie
beating someone for being gay
passing remarks of a derogatory nature about being homosexual in your circle of friends
passing remarks of a derogatory nature at a homosexual passing by



and does the law reflect anti-homosexual opinion?

 

now this i have a problem with... forgive me, but you sound like a child saying their first words....

if you want new ethics created... start to live them in your own life. Your post makes you sound like someone who blindly follows a certain ethical map. You fail to realise in a postmodern world, ethics are based on virtue. and what you consider to be virtuous is decided by your own experience. Therefore if you disllike your ethcial postiton, theres nothing much we can do about it, its your responsibility to change yourself before you come on here demanding everyone else to change theirs... What do you want, everyone to follow your ethics..? please...

if thats the case then we'd all be going around posting illogical narrowminded shit on other forums!

 

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you see, had you said some of that in your original post, maybe it would not have been misinterpreted. It seems you wanted reaction (a good thing i reckon) and you got it.

I dont think that the an argument over existence of God necessarily equates to whether ethics are predetermined or not. I have started a new thread as this one is about homosexuality!