homosexuality

I'm sorry, I don't by the whole "All sins are equal" tune, that's absurd. Are you honestly saying stealing candy from a store is equally to a serial rapists' murder of a 12 year old girl?

Thank god for Mortal and Venial sins in my church, sheesh.

 

Huck, as I am in college now and reading dozens of articles every night I only scanned them, did they mention ANY of the points brought up in this letter to Dr. Laura that was posted earlier? (Here it is again

"Here is an intersting letter I found written to Dr.Laura:

Dear Dr. Laura,

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's law. I have learned a great deal from you, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.

When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors.They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. How should I deal with this?

I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as it suggests in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

Lev. 25:44 states that I may buy slaves from the nations that are around us. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans but not Canadians. Can you clarify?

I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 10:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

Lev. 20:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging."

 

They just made some advances in discovering what may cause homosexuality. Seems like the gene that causes homosexualuity in men causes extra fertility in women.

http://www.betterhumans.com/News/news.aspx?articleID=2004-10-13-4
http://news.newkerala.com/india-news/?action=fullnews&id=36479
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/science/20041012-1114-science-homosexuality.html

There is a lot more news on this finding for anyone willing to do the research. It is really quite interesting.

How does it apply to many's understanding of the Bible? Well, for one, if homosexuality is genetic, it is something a person cannot help. And it is like god making it a sin to have one leg shorter than the other.

I think Jozak hit the nail on the head, we can't interpt the reules/meaning of the OT so literally. I hope that no one disregards his post.

 

In Theories of Personality class, It was also said that psychologists believed that homosexuality is a learned behavoir, stemming from failure to identify with the parent of the same sex.

The point is, no one knows and psychology hasn't been able to pinpoint anything directly. They can only speculate and theorize.

 

No..if you read the links i provided, and actually did some research, you will find that we have come a long way in identifying that homosexuality, in most cases, is genetic. We have even been able to identify related genes. We are definitely starting to pinpoint this directly.

 

"Still, the researchers estimate that the maternal effect accounted for just 14% of homosexuality and that birth order accounted for just 6.7%. This means that about 79% of homosexuality's origin is unknown, leaving room for many other influences, both biological and cultural."

Which could still add to the theory of failure to identify with the parent of the same sex.

 

people can use statistics to prove anything, 18% of all people know that

 

First, it is not at all proven that people are born gay. Second, even if it were, an inborn desire is not necessarily moral. I have a "natural" desire for nearly every attractive woman that I meet. I also "naturally" want to punch out people that really piss me off.

It's obvious that you're not a Christian, because your reading of Scripture is so pitifully shallow. Where are you copying and pasting this gibberish from?

The letter implies that the biblical condemnations of homosexuality are mere relics of the Mosaic Law. This specious argument is debunked in the articles I cited.

 

I didn't say I believed it... I was just offereing a different angle... in the interest of debate.

Patronising little bleeder

Love Clairexxx

 

Ha! I like that

Love Clairexxx

 

what i think the problem is.. and as always this is my opinion.. i dont need to read it in a news paper or something else and so form my opinions on other peoples... but...

the whole idea that homosexuality is seen as a sin is horrendously outdated... there is absolutely no reason for people to still believe this... its an aged concept that came from the need to make people conform and behave in a manner which best suited the means of control at the time... society has evolved, they way most christians now interpret the bible has evovled... to continue to have such a prehistoric mindset is ludicrous in times such as these.

if god was looking down on those of you who still believe that homosexuality is a sin... he would be mightily angry at your nonsensical persecutions...

its time that all religion evolved to fit in with todays society.. otherwise it can no longer be seen as moral guidence but remains an outdate method of control.

and thats all i have to say about that.

 

People being in love and expressing that love is beautiful


Love Clairexxx

 

and god would be glad that they are expressing love, regardless of sexual preference.

 

Anyone care to comment on the Dr Laura letter? Huck? I would be interested to hear anyones response...

BTW- "Dr. Laura" has a PhD in chemistry! A small fact they never mention in her introduction, in which they claim she is an "expert" in family and relationships...

 

I addressed this in my reply to Jozak. The central premise of the letter is fundamentally flawed. The bible's clear and consistent condemnations of homosexuality are by no means confined to the Mosaic Law.

 

so what exactly are these clear and consistent condemnations... care to enlighten us?

 

Leviticus 20:13: "If a man lies with a male as a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death, their blood is upon them."

Leviticus 18:22: "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination."

Romans 1:26-27: "For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. Their woman exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error."

 

wow, the bible is surely something that should have been abandoned years ago, keep the ten commandments, the rest is pure garbage.

maybe prehistoric man left a math text book that we could overanalyze....

 

But what about what Jozak brought up? Who decides what christians follow from the OT and what gets abandoned?

 

It's mostly against lust...If you're doing another man just for the physical stuff, but no emotional or mental or loving attatchment to the person, then it's not right. If it's real love and you care for the person, I see absolutely no problem with it.