Homosexuality = sin

I aint skeered! lol

I am not afraid of eating an insect, it's just something that I won't do. Same applies with homosexuality, it doesn't scare me....I just couldn't do it.

 

Not really, if that is what you like then rock it!

 

The bible is very clear about homosexuality and defines it as an abomination. Having said that, it is not for us to judge. All judgement should come from God and is between the individual and God. As a Christian, I am instructed to love the individual.

Hate the sin, love the sinner. It's as simple as that.

 

The bible is very unclear. It was written in different language(s), ages ago, in a different context, for an ancient people living in a reality totally foreign to modern day Western life. Translators over the centuries have in fact taken liberties with many phrases in the bible.

There are many websites dedicated to the issues of error and interpretation in the bible.

Here is one decent site. At the very least, I believe that there is doubt when it comes to many bible issues stemming from translation. There is enough to cast a shadow of a doubt. And in my mind, that is enough to not believe in a literal scripture translation.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/

 

Want an idea of how badly the bible has been bent to suit the needs of small minded people...read john Boswell's classic, Christianity, Social Tolerance and Homosexuality. The man was a history scholar beyond compare who could (and did) read the original documents in the language they were written. For hundreds of years the church had no problem with same sex love and such realtionships were blessed and revered. The bible itself refers to some of these relationships. The current form of the bible holds no more truth than a Steve King novel and lacks the ability to sustain much interest save for freaks who want to use it as "God's Word".
Thanks, Whichaxe, I bookmarked the site you suggested, it looks promising.

 

If you can't be gay through sexuality then what way is there?

Sure love can be about more then sex but doesn't a gay relationship entail sex being that it IS romantic and all?

Sorry I view most Christianity as utter patriarchal propaghanda so yeah, I beleive it is homophobic. If I condemned heterosexual sex as a sin would you be offended?

Religion is not an excuse for ignorance.

 

I"m going to say this, and I don't want anyone to get mad at me..

I think homosexuality is a sin..because I was raised as a Christian..HOWEVER..I"m Bisexual..leaning more over to the lesbian side..

I dunno what to say anymore..

Guess im a hypocrite.ooh well..lol.

I enjoy being bisexual..and I can't help it that women are hawt as well as men..srry fathe..I try..lol

Sorry ppl.. :nopity:

 

Like the song says "love the one you're with", leave the gay, straight, bi, labels to folks who can't think for themselves. The world would be far better off if corporate religion would vanish. Nobody ever really found God in a book... ya wanna find God, head to the woods, watch some goofy little kids play, play with your dog or cat, listen for the smiles in an old person voice as they reflect on the things that matter to them. Canned religion is toxic to mankind.

 

That is a pretty difficult question to answer. I personally would think it is judgemental to call homosexuality a sin. However, if you've been brought up with the bible and been taught that everything in it is 100% truth and God's word, then it is understandable (if not correct) why a lot of people would call homosexuality a sin.


I have a very open mind about God and all other things spiritual. I wouldn't say i believe in God, but i couldn't say that he definitely doesn't exist either. I do think though, that if an all loving creator does exist, i find it very hard to believe that he would condemn homosexuality. Gay people are not harming anyone by being who they are, so i have a hard time accepting that any loving God would condemn someone purely for being gay. I truly believe that IF the bible was the word of God, i also believe that it has been manipulated over the centuries by men who have wanted to twist and pervert it to suit their own vision of what is sinful, and what isn't. I imagine the bible that was originally written probably looks very different to the version that people are reading today. If there is even the slightest chance that some passages of the bible were changed or manipulated by man (Which i think there quite obviously is) then i am not going to base my beliefs and principles on that.

It also irks me how so many Christians focus so much on the "sin" of homosexuality but seem to virtually ignore all the other sins in the bible. Most probably because they themselves are committing those sins, and want to deviate attention from that fact. Even if homosexuality is a "sin", is it anymore of a sin than any other? No, even the current version of the bible doesn't say homosexuality is an especially bad sin that should be treated as worse than the rest of them.

I am not an authority on homosexuality, but i do believe some people are born with the tendency to be attracted to their own sex. Why would God make some people have a sexual attraction to their own sex when he personally thinks it's wrong? That's just stupid!

So, do i think saying homosexuality is a sin is being judgemental and homophobic? Yes i do. Because i believe intolerance and hatred is a completely man made thing, and has nothing to do with a loving god whatsoever.

 

As far as "real Christian" and whatever this and that..I think a "real" Christian is simply someone who believes that Jesus died for them..

Not all that other stuff...I'm bisexual like I said and lean more over to lesbian..but I don't think God will send me to hell for it because I can't help it..


But thats just my beliefs..Oh well...lol..well see..

WHEN THE WORLD ENDS!

 

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I don't think it's judgemental. Christians might think it's a sin, and i agree that if they chose their definition of sin yeah being gay is a sin, but since i'm not a christian, the gay=sin thing doesn't hold water in my opinion regarding gay ppl.

 

There's a difference between SIN and EVIL. Sin actually means to make mistakes or to "miss the mark", a state of imperfection. Evil is well, evil. Murder for instance is not a mistake. It's a calculated act of evil. Being gay in not evil. So the two can't be compared.

 

This thread is amazing...I was just about to give my answer until I found out I already answered to this thread...FOUR YEARS AGO... before I turned Christian. Wow...just...wow.. lol. I have a different answer now....

The act of homosexuality is a sin, but that's the only thing. Like someone already stated: ANY sex out of marriage is sin. Not just homosexual. Many Christians sadly pick on homosexuality. Fornication and adultery between man and woman is just as bad.

 

I don't know if I posted on this or not but I don't believe in sins to begin with. If homos want to get it on with each other I don't care... It isn't my business who does what.

 

Personally I don't believe homosexuality is a sin in any way. I mean according to religious lit I've read so is eating shrimp. I think if you want it to be a sin it is, that won't change but I mean people are losing religion now-a-days so it's not a big deal. Just think for those who are very religious in the bible days human sexuality was basically young people get married and have offspring, but as the years went by the "love" factor became the most important factor and with that came people admitting to being sexually attracted to the same sex. Take it how you wish, just dont judge.
-Peace

 

No it is not judgmental/homophobic. Obviously, not EVERY inclination in a human is to his personal good -- everyone knows that from personal experiences, I guess...

ryupower : I'm still inclined to think, that in the issues of HUMAN nature we cannot look for solutions in the realm of animals. The major difference is the superior gifts of consciousness, intelligence and free will, that differ us from animals. There are some obvious consequences thereof. Animals cannot control themselves -- and you CAN. They cannot rationalize -- and you CAN. They cannot analyze, cannot change the world around them, cannot understand the meaning of their lives -- and you CAN. So -- no way. Unless you want to be treated like an animal, which I'm sure you don't;-). So, I don't think we can use "numerous cases of homosexuality" among animals as a proof. And besides, which cases do YOU mean?...

So, intelligent creatures, we need reasonings, explanations, knowledge and wisdom... What do we find in the Bible? We find quite a bit, some of which we like, and some don't. Is homosexuality a sin? What is a sin? Why should I consider the very idea of sin at all??? OK, I mentioned the Bible being intelligent, and that leaves no space for any sort of dogmatism... But in order to agree or disagree, one should read the book himself.
As per the Bible, "sin" is using God's creation contrary to the Divine purpose, as such purpose is clearly seen to us intelligent creatures. In the light of this definition, even if we let alone God's punishment for sin, there is NO WAY sin could make us really happy.
Then, consider male/female sexual organs: they naturally fit together with a rather obvious purpose of childbirth, for one thing, and strong physical expressions of love between sexes being another clear purpose. So far the Divine purpose has been unveiled to us mere humans.

How does homosexual intercourse compare, it would be a good thing to ask? When two homosexuals come together, one of them has to assume a male/female role according to the need, using some "artificial substitutes" for what is naturally provided in a heterosexual intercourse.

Homosexual relations, however, are known to give a far greater intensity of sexual pleasure and strength of feelings, than the straight relations do. Is this the answer, then?... The Bible, among other things, advocates SELF-CONTROL as an inevitable component of human happiness, and warns against excessive sexual appetites, causing a man to lose control over his nature. That is to say, if we let go of our self-control in order to have more pleasure, then we are saying goodbye to something, which cannot be replaced with something else of the same value...
These are some points from the Bible, as they can be found at Romans chapter 1, plus some real life illustrations. But the choice is still ours, isn't it? Yet, for those, who are interested to know more from what the Bible has to say on the matter, there is actually more to it.

Genesis chapter 6, here we read about some angels (sons of the true God), who had noticed the daughters of men, that these were pretty, and started having sexual relations with them. It was possible, as God had given his angels the ability to materialize into male human bodies, in order to bring messages from Him to humans, for angel means messenger. But that mission by no means implied having sex with the daughters of men! The flood of Noah's days killed the giant offspring and evil humans, but it couldn't kill those angels. They had to dematerialize and are henceforth known as demons -- read briefly about it in Jude 6,7. Now the events of Jesus' life expose the existence and evil nature of demons. But they also show God's superior power over such creatures -- in case we resort to God's power.

So, why not spend some time trying to study this matter more deeply? After all, whatever pleasure we can derive from sexual relations (natural or unnatural), we humans will NEVER be happy without the true KNOWLEDGE of ourselves. There are many things in this world, which should not be. But the purpose of the Bible is -- to open up the way to God's support, if we don't want to put up with the wrong thing. ..... But what should I care about a book, that tells me what I DON'T LIKE TO HEAR? Well, if I was to heed only what I like to hear -- then I'd remain forever blind and deaf, in love with my own reflection in the mirror...

 

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You sure used a lot of words to say that you think the bible means something...You probably spent a lot of time thinking about it. Guess you decided to believe it. Good for you. I've thought about it a lot too and the bible doesn't mean a damn thing to me. Do be careful to not try and stick your belief system on me or on gay folks in general. We don't want it or need it.

 

No, not at all. It was just for the poll's sake. Sorry, if that insulted you in any way -- I didn't mean that. And two times sorry for a lot of words -- this is my problem, he-he.

On the other hand, It would be interesting to learn what YOU think about it, if you are inclined to express your point of view. For example, you definitely has reasons why the Bible doesn't mean a thing to you... I respect that, too. But I'm really interested to know people's reasons, that is the only way how I could understand others.

 

Wow! This thread has been here for 4 years now! My... I just couldn't imagine, so I didn't care to look at the date there! I wonder if the starter of the poll is still watching it...