Homosexuality = sin

Not sure why this thread re-emerged, but I think I won.

 

I just want to chime in here and point out that Levitical laws do not apply to Christians, in fact it is quite specific in the book of Leviticus that these are the laws which apply to Jewish priests only.

Carry on

 

interesting.

 

Of course it is.

Think about it: If people say having gay sex is a SIN, it is WRONG in their eyes, but NATURAL for us.

 

And since ya'll were *BORN THAT WAY* it makes sense to believe that this is the way that G-d made ya'll. Unique, with a struggle that both unites and separates you from the rest of society.

Stay strong, ya'll. Someday, hopefully people will realize that prejudice in this area is just as foolish as prejudice based on the color of one's skin and/or the background that they were raised in. Love is love, no matter whom loves whom.

After all, who does Christ love more? Those who can speak His Words, or those who do their utmost of carry them out, by loving their neighbor as themselves and by loving G-d above all things...?

 

I actually had (keyword being HAD) a best friend, who actually saying to me that gay people, "obviously having something wrong in their brains" that made them gay, as if it were known fact. I literally wanted to puke in his face, after tiger-punching him in the jaw.

The stupidity and close-mindedness of some people in this wolrd just astounds me...

[sorry, that was a wee bit off topic]

 

You guys can say all you want about fudge packers, but when I'm pounding a dude in the ass there is nothing Original about my sin.



(yay Eddie)

 

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On the contrary... If he's not being original, then it's gotta be conventional. Not at all to say that conventional is bad or anything... But what do I know? I'm just some straight chick, anyways.

 

God is the only judge.

Where in the bible does it say it's a sin? And what else does the bible describe as a sin? Many things. However some Christians have chosen this sin to be above all others, worse than all others. Many vocal fundies have judged this to be a sin worse than divorce or having sexual relations with anyone but your wife. Being gay has been taken as a canon all it's own, like murder. That's judgmental.

If being gay is a sin, it's a very convenient sin. You see, only about 10% of the population are born with this sin, so the other 90% can look down on them. That's judgmental. How convenient! You can go to church and be all smug knowing you will always be better than those horrid homos, who can do nothing about the way god created them. Ain't that swell? There will always be a sinner worse than you.

You'll notice that divorce and coveting-thy-neighbors-wife never receive the same attention as homosexuality. You don't see ministries that help straight married men so that they won't have impure thoughts about anybody but their wife. It wouldn't be very popular if they did and as soon as half the congregation realized they were being singled out for punishment for their sin, they wouldn't be going back to that church.

"Hate the sin and love the sinner" is an excuse for discrimination. At one time you would be kicked out of the church for divorce. What happened to that sin? Do we hate that sin now but love the divorced sinners who are going to hell? Do we pass laws so that your second (sinful) marriage excludes all rights of marriage? Is that loving the sinner? Once the church backs off on the anti-gay amendments I might agree that they really do love the people that they have deemed "sinners."

 

To be honest, that's what the Christian world is supposed to be following according to scripture.

If you are referring to being a homosexual, it doesn't say a damned thing in the whole bible. If you are referring to performing homosexual acts, then there are a few places, mostly old testament, which state so. I'll be happy to look it up if you'd like.

You are sooo right here. There are too many fundies who will take their agenda and hide behind religion to further their pursuits. But these are the extremists. And you know how media is with only showing the extreme views of all sides. In my opinion, the fundies do not follow their own bible and do not walk the christian path. They are a disgrace to the church and the world.

Again, according to the Bible and most Christian beliefs, being gay is not a sin.

True, but divorcees aren't in the spotlight trying to fight for their rights on a daily basis, so you're not gonna have an opposing view of divorce in the spotlight.[/quote]

Bad example since it isn't true. There are christian groups and ministries who do help men and women with marital fidelity. And the average christian will believe that everyone is a sinner, but is worthy of forgiveness if they are truly sorry for their sin and ask for forgiveness.

I couldn't disagree more. In fact, I think just the opposite. It's supposed to show us that even though we're notr perfect, it's no reason to judge who we are as a result of one of our actions.

Well, most churches like to focus on forgiveness. However, one of the praise leaders at one of my mom's old churches did get booted out after he left his wife for another woman and refused to make amends to her. The church backed up the jilted wife and decided that it was in the best interest of the church, especially the wife, to ask him to find another church home. But that was only limited to that particular church and not the whole religion.

That's not really a christian belief to assume that one is going to hell for doing wrong. Again, the bible states, as do you in the beginning of your post, God is the only judge. But yes. We hate the sin, but love the divorced sinner.

Considering how many politicians are unfaithful or divorced, I don't think it'd happen.

Just because one fights for something they believe in or against something they don't, doesn't mean they hate the people involved. I am opposed to the death penalty, but I don't hate executioners, wardens, or governors. Actually, I don't hate any human beings at all. it's not in my nature. That being said, I do have a problem with the extreme christian groups trying to get their claws into politics and into our bedrooms. What two people do consentually is none of anyone's business. The only time the law should be involved is when one human is depriving another human of their rights. But this discussion is not about human laws. it's about what is considered to be sin.

 

My question about "where in the Bible" does it admonish homosexuality, is rhetorical. As I remember, where the bible mentions homosexual acts, it also mentions other (equal?) sins. That was my point.

To me, that's like saying that being a woman is not a sin, but menstruating is.
The two go hand in hand.

My whole point about divorce is that at one time men were kicked out of the church for divorcing a wife. And not because your x would be uncomfortable seeing you at church with that hussy. Um, wasn't divorce Henry the VIII's big deal? And at that time people were not saying 'Love the sinner and hate the sin.' That phrase is brandished to mask unfair treatment of gays. (and I don't recall it being used before)

If the treatment of gays was equal, then churches would be trying to pass State Amendments to remove the rights of second marriage after divorce. Of course that's not going to happen! But who said the churches are fair? That's the whole point of my argument. Christians need gays so they have somebody who will always be in the minority and that they can look down on in loving disgust.

Divorcees aren't fighting for their rights because the church has gone soft on the issue. If the Catholic Church and the fundies were going after anti-divorce amendments with the same zeal they are going after the anti-gay amendments, there would be millions of Divorcees in the spotlight trying to fight for their rights on a daily basis. My point is that the Churches are picking the fight with homosexuals not because it is a bigger sin or bigger threat than divorcees, but because it keeps their parishioners smugly content with the fact that they can love the sinner and pass judgment at the same time. It is judgmental, plain and simple.

Now, I can slap you in the face, but if I tell you I am applying rogue, that doesn't mean that I am not slapping you in the face. The slogan of "love the sinner, hate the sin," is hogwash and the anti-gay State Amendments prove it is judgmental rogue.

Only DoktorAtomik can say why he started this thread several months ago. But it was dropped and picked up anew. Though it asks "is Homosexuality a sin" in the title, the Poll connected to the thread asks "Is defining homosexual intercourse as a sin homophobic/judgemental?" I don't believe my commentary veered too far from that question. Sorry, if it did.

 

I think there's something in it about man laying down with his fellow man, or somesuch. It's nice and vague and reads like a bad translation (like most of the Bible really). Apparently the word homosexual wasn't in common usage at all until the 19th century (heterosexual following shortly after), and words like gay, fag, donut puncher etc. came afterwards. So there's unlikely to be any direct reference in that sense. Over matters of homosexual love (as oppose to sex), I'm pretty sure the Bible is fairly circumspect, which allowed various individuals and societies to speculate on the nature of love, marriage etc. In summary: I don't know.

What I do know is that St Augustine is largely responsible for a lot of the animosity towards homosexuals, as he was the one who, round about the 12th century, proposed that sex should be purely reproductive.

He is history's biggest ****.

 

Jesus said "I will never turn anyone away who come to me". He gave us one commandment: Love. He said, "if you obey me, I will love you always...Here is the law I give you: Love each other". All other conditions and rules of conduct have been added by men wishing to impose their morality on society.. Today, much of what is said to be Christianity is actually cultural morality. Jesus would not add conditions to his one law. He said, As long as you fulfull that one commandment (love your neighbor as you love yourself) you are also fulfilling all other commandments.

 

It IS judgmental because it is NOT a sin. There is no proof that it is a sin except some obscure biblical passages in a sea of other passages listing ridiculous "sins" like shaving your beard and eating shellfish.

If you write it of as nonjudgmental, it just propagates the notion that our lifestyle is sinful, which it is not. I also disagree with the idea that we are all sinners. It's completely anti-humanistic and disturbing to hear.

 

I wouldn't argue that it's non-judgemental. But it is a sin by Biblical definition. That was what was being asked. The question "If it is a sin, do you care?" is perhaps more valid. Personally I don't care how many religions I offend, it's kind of a hobby for me anyway.

 

Unfortunately everyone else thinks you're a faggot.

 

Why the quotees around "everyone", breeder?

 

Meh, I use a lot of words. "Poll" doesn't have an "e" in it, by the way. Might seem like a petty concern but I thought you were trying to make a funny with it.