Homeless people

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  1. Meliai

    Meliai Members

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    How would you know what people do to help the homeless?
     
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  2. Irminsul

    Irminsul Valkyrie

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    it's the beggars that get to me, but not the ones that actually do anything to annoy you, it's the ones that kneel there facing the ground with their hands out. Get the fuck up, and start hassling folks for coin :p for gods sake have some pride in yourselves! :D

    I'm a sucker for a guy on a guitar, especially a guy with long hair and flannelette shirt, I mean they're always getting my smallest note and or shrapnel. :D Alright they may not be completely homeless, but I still like to donate to them. See that's pride man, fuck I couldn't get up and do anything I love out on the street with randoms watching and judging me.
     
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  3. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    Interesting figures, for what they're worth. Of course, censuses of the homeless can't rely on the usual methods of knocking on doors and calling landlines. The ones reported here seem to come from several sources, and rely on a variety of methods: point-in-time contacts, data from homeless shelters, and surveys of homeless assistance providers and their clients. Despite the seeming precision, they provide at best a rough profile of homelessness, skewed to the homeless who are in most direct contact with institutions.
     
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  4. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

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    Go to McDonadld's and say " I am homeless can I have a job". Good chance they will say no. It's not as easy as saying someone is lazy.


    Shelters always over loaded and not efficient. Also people steal from you there and force religion on you. VERY heavy on the idea that if only you loved Jesus you will have a house. You don't since you anger god. People don't want to hear that.

    Again, not as easy as someone deciding to work.. What specific goverment help are you referring to that make it so easy?
     
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  5. Vanilla Gorilla

    Vanilla Gorilla Go Ape

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    So basically you are trying to fall back on the premise not every homeless person was interviewed, thus your assumptions must be right

    Those figures are pretty accurate, they just dont fit what you want to be true
     
  6. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    No one could accurately say "those figures are pretty accurate". The best we can say is they're the best we can say. As for my assumptions being right, what assumptions are you talking about? The kind that make an ass of u and me?
     
  7. Vanilla Gorilla

    Vanilla Gorilla Go Ape

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    And? Thats covered in the link too

    Chronic, (long term) homelessness makes up less than 20% of reported figures. They are the ones most of us see, hobos on the street, mostly men, mostly with drug or alcohol problems. Then with most of them, its a chicken before the egg thing, did the substance abuse come before the mental health issues

    You asserted this:
    It just isnt true, even amongst the chronic homeless, and mental health doesnt explain the disparity with race (blacks over represented), gender (males over represented) or differences between rural and urban areas


    We for the most part just dont see women and children temporarily living with someone else who are also categorized as homeless

    Read that page
    that 2010 NCHWIH report, 39% of homeless in the US were under 18
     
  8. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    How do you know how accurate they are? I'm not saying they aren't btw, but aren't you just assuming they're pretty accurate?
     
  9. r0llinstoned

    r0llinstoned Gute Nacht, süßer Prinz

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    I see so many "homeless" people getting dropped off at 7 11 or somewhere and begging for money while playing around on their iphone 10 for hours and then getting picked up. Just a bunch of crackheads looking to get money for drugs. I do feel for the mentally ill ones in my area, and sometimes strike up a conversation with them or offer them food but they usually never want food so sometimes I just say hello.
     
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  10. Meliai

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    How is is not true though?

    I'm not sure why wikipedia or whatever your source didn't mention mental illness as a cause, but mental illness and substance abuse are frequently listed together as the main cause - my apologies if you are dissatisfied that i didnt mention substance abuse as well

    But it certainly isnt as simple as chalking it it up to "well they're all just a bunch of drug addicts" when people with untreated mental illness often subconsciously turn to drugs as a form of self medication. And as you alluded to, long term drug use can cause or trigger mental illness as well.
     
  11. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    Hate to break it to you, but wikipeia isn't considered to be the best of sources.
    Why is Wikipedia an unreliable source? | eNotes
    The Top 10 Reasons Students Cannot Cite or Rely On Wikipedia
    ELI5:Why is Wikipedia considered unreliable yet there's a tonne of reliable sources in the foot notes? : explainlikeimfive
    Should you use Wikipedia as a credible resource?
     
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  12. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    What led you to conclude they were homeless? The fact that they were panhandling?
     
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  13. Asmodean

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    He didn't ;) that's why he put it between " " (i assume :p)
     
  14. Vanilla Gorilla

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    Or in Aus, cigarettes are something ridiculous like $25 a pack nowadays. You see them begging for money, but then every couple of minutes you see them pull out a cigarette and chuff away.....then well, if you can afford two packs of cigarettes a day, you can afford a boarding house for the night, $5 at Aldi could cover your food for the whole day


    Theres one guy that sits across the road from a cafe I frequent in Paddington, he's in a wheelchair so fair enough, but i have watched him on occasions, every couple minutes he has someone dropping coins in his little can, probably makes a couple hundred bucks a day, at least a hundred, smokes like a chimney. And in Australia, he's disabled so automatically gets the disability pension. So the guy probably gets $700+ a week, the dis pension is about $230 a week, plus 5,6 days of $100 in donations a day

    In Sydney, only ever see homeless guys begging for money. Never ever see all these homeless kids we supposedly have, not saying we dont have them. Just that this guy in the wheelchair gets maybe more than the average wage earner, whilst somewhere else are thousands of women with their young kids just trying to survive on welfare payments
     
  15. Irminsul

    Irminsul Valkyrie

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    B and H special filters thanks mate.
     
  16. r0llinstoned

    r0llinstoned Gute Nacht, süßer Prinz

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    The fact that they tell me they are homeless. I even had one guy ask me "what can you offer me" and start yelling at me. Yea good luck getting money that way lmao.
     
  17. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

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    No Home Address = No JOB!
     
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  18. Okiefreak

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    Well they might have been lying. Anyhow, I'm wondering what to make of all this. You talk about "so many" of these self-defined homeless being dropped off at a 7 11, but that presumably is a small and somewhat skewed sample of the homeless population of the U.S. VG, on the other hand, tells us (on the strength of his wikipedia article), about the racial composition and rural-urban demographics of the homeless as though something significant about the homeless population is contained in the data pertinent to the OP. I don't get it. Is there a point here?
     
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  19. You get idiots that cause marriage break ups and they go homeless because they end up not being able to afford food items and basic clothing but spend all their money on booze. There are some people who are even too lazy to go and use the bathroom and urinate in milk bottles.
     
  20. Okiefreak

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    Really? Anybody you know or have read about? How typical are they?
     

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