Homeless in America

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  1. ~Zen~

    ~Zen~ California Tripper Administrator

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    Homelessness has surged and receded throughout the nation’s history, with spikes during the colonial period, pre-industrial era, post-Civil War years, Great Depression, and today.

    It is a BIG problem. HUGE. And there are interesting statistics about it all...
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    "While there are many drivers of modern-day homelessness, it is largely the result of failed policies; severely underfunded programs that have led to affordable housing shortages; wages that do not keep up with rising rents and housing costs; inadequate safety nets; inequitable access to quality health care (including mental health care), education, and economic opportunity; and mass incarceration. In effect, more than half of Americans live paycheck to paycheck and one crisis away from homelessness.

    At the root of these systemic failures is historical and ongoing racism. From slavery and the Indian Removal Act to redlining and mass incarceration, people of color and other historically marginalized groups (such as LGBTQI+ youth) have been denied rights and excluded from opportunities in ways that continue to have negative impacts today." - United States Interagency Council on Homeless.

    Just last year nearly 327,000 people were lucky to find shelters, either emergency based or transitional. The rest are on the streets, in the woods, and camping anywhere they can find a space.

    We all know about the problem, what are your ideas about helping to solve this crisis?

    What is being done locally around you? Anything?

    Maybe you know someone who has become homeless, how can you help?

    Which states are actually doing something about the homeless?

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  2. ~Zen~

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    How many camps like this are near you?
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  3. kinulpture

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    I occasionally am. & have gone longer stretches being so. I tend to avoid camps this size. I think them utterly disgusting. But i can understand em.
     
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  4. kinulpture

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    Were some in spgfld mo this size until were made a felony to do so in mo. While i dont feel thats a solution. I can uunderstand it. & maybe it can in some cases motivate ppl. Can in some cases be @ discretions of whatever lawenforcent may be involved. Rite now we may actually be directly in path of a devastating rent increase. We are currently in a 7unit apt complex. Only one is now unoccupied. Previously for a couple months. 2 Of em enpty. Consists of 2structures. Connected by an overhang. We are extremely scared of this possible increase. Our only solution rite now would be a functioning rv. So we are luckier than some in that a move aint piysically imminent.
     
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    Good luck with your situation @kinulpture! Stay strong!
     
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  6. kinulpture

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    Many thanks, brother. It can verymuch be a multifaceted issue. Abt 25yrs ago, i cameup with a concept of ecotouring along these lines. Like her or not oprah did this but undercover. & withdrew her previous funding of a shelter. & i understand quite a few celebrities spend time amongst the homeless. I nevr got around to implementation of this concept. I also thot of a homeless tv channel. A natl bottle would help a grt deal. This is defined as mandatory beverage container deposit. & there are multitudes of other issues.
     
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  7. wooleeheron

    wooleeheron Brain Damaged Lifetime Supporter

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    Racists tend to be rapists, who rape people of other races, because rape is the default cellular level networking systems logic, that ensures their culture's dna isn't lost forever. In fact, racism itself is a cellular level response to the pressure to evolve faster. If your culture is too aggressive, even the cells of your own brain will take a vote of no confidence. The more aggressive a culture becomes, the less likely to reproduce, and the more likely their neighbors will practically drive them to genocide every few hundred years. You can think of aggression as the default, whenever the lights are on, but nobody's home. Today, the populations of German, Japan, and the US are aging and imploding, like China, because their own patriarchal cultures can't reproduce in the modern world.

    As bizarre as it might sound, merely by worming the entire population of the US, you could improve the homeless situation, by simply getting the mindless mob to calm down. The only solution to racism, rape, and homelessness, is to destroy the Pentagon's attempts to censor half of reality, which is easy in the modern world. The Tea Party are not the people you want censoring reality, for any length of time, and people just need the math to automate knocking their fucking legs out from under them, one at time if necessary.

    Give the monkey what they demand, the right to censor the truth, and show them what the truth is actually worth!
     
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  8. kinulpture

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    Mental illness is indeed vermuch behind the street realities. & on street ya get many unique perspectives ya simply cant get elsewhere. & it only varies a tinybit from rural to city. Im speaking of bad driving habits to name a few.
     
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  9. Piney

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    Zen, Supprised at The Map, showing big homeless in cold New England. and smaller homelesness in The South.

    Near us, the Rev. Steve Bingham helps the homeless Ocean County NJ A big camp in Lakewood, now closed was active for near 10 years. Google it.
     
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  10. Eezee

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    The homeless is a much larger problem because they closed The mental health hospitals in he mid 80s with no plan on how we would handle their closure. This travesty has spiraled I the last 45 years with the mentally ill left to fend for themselves.many found their way into the prisons where they are subject to inmates who took advantage of them.now you add the illegals filling up the available beds and it keeps getting worse.we think we’re being compassionate when we closed them but we didn’t have a plan take care of them in society.
     
  11. wooleeheron

    wooleeheron Brain Damaged Lifetime Supporter

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    A quarter of all federal prisoners are harmless potheads to this day. Hippies have known all along, its a war against whoever doesn't support the money doing all the driving. The only thing to remember about being homeless, is that there are plenty of empty homes out there, that are driving up the price of rent. Right now, with the US conveniently creating a new cold war with China, they've assured that the money continues to do all the driving, and artificially prop up the price of real estate, and cars. High ticket items.

    The longer China's economy faulters, the more they can prop up our economy.
     
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  12. TrudginAcrossTheTundra

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    Yeah the homeless situation has nothing to do with lack of affordable housing. That's an easy scapegoat to use because it sounds believable.

    Whoever wrote that article failed to actually go on the streets and in the camps to interview people. You can find people who have recorded interviews and posted them on YouTube.

    The vast majority just prefer being homeless. They get to hang out with their peeps, pop their pills, and shoot the stuff they crave without interference, and with encouragement. They enjoy the freedom from schedules, pressures, filling expectations of behavior, clothing, watching their diet, caring for oneself, and stuff like that which society pressures people into.

    They go where the people provide resources without requiring responsibility. Private groups will fund them and vocal advocates will demand the government "do something". And that "something" usually includes feeding facilities like soup kitchens, emergency shelters for adverse weather and such, clothing outlets usually donated clothes, sometimes even spending money and even free needles to cut down on sharing. It appears humane but the reality is that it encourages it.

    Where you see it less it's because people don't see it as a humane way of life and don't want to support it. They don't provide much resources and may enforce laws against sleeping in the streets. People either have to swallow their pride in this sort of independence, accept the level of responsibility of which they're capable, and seek acceptance of family. Maybe drug rehab and job skill training. Or migrate to areas encouraging their lifestyle.
     
  13. wooleeheron

    wooleeheron Brain Damaged Lifetime Supporter

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    I've lived on the streets for fifteen years. The sad truth is, the idiots you are talking about could not work a real job if they tried. Half of them are career criminals, who expect to either die young or spend half their life in jail. The other half are mentally ill patients, who sometimes won't even eat food that you give them, unless you throw in the garbage can first. The US deliberately created its own homeless problem, by going on a prison building spree, only to fill them with harmless potheads and the mentally ill, when they closed all the mental hospitals.

    The Trail of Tears is what the Cherokee called it, when their close friends, the white people, drove them out of their homes, and force marched them all the way to Oklahoma. Likewise, black men are 8x more likely to be imprisoned, and more likely to be executed. For half a century, after the repeal of the Jim Crow laws, half the blacks in the country made a giant circle, moving from state to state, trying to find employment, only to return home where, at least, they knew who hated them. Driving people out of their homes, onto the streets, is what Americans have always done, with anyone they don't like. Call it "normalcy" in a mindless mob.
     
  14. ~Zen~

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    So with all the comments above, I have to wonder, have any of you got an idea on how to solve the issue for people who do want to live in a home?

    Has anyone actually tried to get into Federally Subsidized Affordable Housing?

    Trashing the homeless and labelling them all as drug addicts or hardened criminals is not the way to help anyone.
     
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  15. TrudginAcrossTheTundra

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    Of course, labeling isn't helping, but it's still true that in order to fix any problem it has to be identified first.

    I don't think anyone who's looked could honestly deny that a sizeable portion of those who chose street living have mental issues that makes it difficult or impossible to integrate into society.

    Overlapping in a Zen diagram, I mean Venn diagram, are hard drug addicts unable to bring themselves to quitting, probably in large part to mental issues, and perhaps in some cases severe drug abuse contributed to their condition.

    There are the occasional people who came down on their luck, but they are likely to break free and get back on their feet.

    I think the federal budget for section eight housing is quite sizeable. Apartments can be as cheap as free if the applicant qualifies. But they have to want it and be willing to apply, and there's plenty of help available for that. Everybody feels good about lending a helping hand to those who appreciate it.

    There's only one way to "fix" street dwelling if that's really what enough people demand. And that's to disallow it and offer those in the lifestyle a next best alternative. That alternative could be implemented in all sorts of ways but it would have to be forced. They like what they've got for the most part and don't want to change.

    If I could snap my fingers and have everything follow my orders, I'd have built a massive complex, like a city, for anyone not wanting to join society and needing help to survive. Complete with plenty of farmland for people to grow their own food and raise animals. Food and shelter would be provided, plus health care including mental health care, schooling with an emphasis on trade skills for people to elect, and good drugs of known purity and dosage for those who need s fix. Contraceptives and places where they can congregate to seek and have sex with each other. Basically provide what they now have but with facilities, increased comfort, and caregivers so they can be free with minimal risk.
     
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  16. wooleeheron

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    The government has been using the large homeless population to prop up real estate values. They normally target alcoholics in particular and, for example, in California they've been handing out more housing vouchers to veterans recently. Its sad, more people working low paying jobs to pay their rent, so the state increased minimum wage to $20, and started taxing the rich when they move out of state. On an average year, only about five states actually pay more in taxes then they get from the fed. The real estate market was counting on the fact countries like China were over-inflating their real estate values, so they could inflate their own.

    Very much like the last economic collapse, we've been struggling to avoid all the corruption in the system causing it to collapse whenever the shit hits the fan.
     
  17. ~Zen~

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    And still you have no constructive solutions, just criticisms.

    The world is sinking under a shit load of hypercritical behavior.
     
  18. kinulpture

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    Id first heard of this concept several yrs ago www.edar.org . was kinda saddened to see have only been a few hundred of these parceled out. Truly difficult to see where solutions lie. Perhaps those who are comfy some of the time. Whom also may find extra time. Oughta get out & be invovled. Such as community sleepouts. Community walks. Job sharing. Street level giving boxes. Kinda like the little libraries. Perhaps installing foodboxes atop trashcans. I saw this in sanfran abt 22yrs ago. Just turn lever to dump. & it sits several inches above the trashcan.
     
  19. wooleeheron

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    Sometimes, the only solution is to deal with the reality of the situation, so I'm busy automating the truth, to fight all the endless lies. You could say, homelessness is no different from any other Dark Age problem the modern world has inherited and, if you don't solve the institutionalized bullshit that promotes it, you tend to just spin your wheels. Seriously, after about 400 people, Three Stooges slapstick takes over, and automating sanity, according to the laws of physics, is the only choice we have left.

    I kept wondering why humanity wasn't making faster progress, but its simply due to the overwhelming volume of Three Stooges slapstick, and nobody having the networking systems logic to do any better. If anything, modern science and civilization resemble a colony of ants, just blindly digging tunnels and harvesting food. Thankfully, in a Singularity, its easy to raise ants.
     
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    MEANWHILE...

    The US Supreme Court is hearing arguments today about a ruling from the Ninth District Federal COurt of California. The question is, do local jurisdictions have the power to ban camping by the homeless in public spaces?

    Is it cruel and inhumane punishment to forbid people to sleep in public when they have no home or access to shelter?

    I think so.

    How about you?

    Would you support a local ban on homeless camps being staunch NIMBY type person?

    Or would you have compassion towards your fellow human beings and create spaces for them to live?

    What will the Trump Court decide...

    The issue goes back to the town of Grant's Pass forbidding homeless encampments. It goes further back in history to the great depression when Jim Crow laws were used to ban Okies and others fleeing the dustbowl of the Great Plains in the 1930s.

    From ABC news:
    A debate over homeless encampments familiar to many communities heads to the U.S. Supreme Court on Monday, where the justices will confront a rising tide of unhoused Americans and punitive steps cities like Grants Pass are increasingly taking to address it.

    In 2013, the Grants Pass city council attempted to ban anyone “from using a blanket, pillow or cardboard box for protection from the elements” while sleeping outside under threat of civil citation.

    Two federal courts put the measure on hold after finding it “cruel and unusual punishment” under the Eighth Amendment to ticket people with no alternative to survive.
     

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