Hip-hop and hippies

Why does hip-hop music get such a bad rap from hippies? I thought they're supposed to be open-minded.

It's OK because everyone is biased against some genres of music. I am biased against modern radio-friendly country and most types of metal. Sometimes it's just a matter of personal taste, but some genres are truly deserving of the disdain they receive because there is little in substance to be offered from these genres. I just think hip-hop is diverse enough that the hate it receives as a whole isn't justified, especially when it stems from a base level knowledge of that genre's output, which is gained mostly from mainstream radio and television and does not speak for everything that is out there.

With that said, what genres of music are you inherently biased against and why?

 

They probably do not enjoy the sound of rap/hip hop. That and they probably dislike the most common lyrical themes. It doesn't necessarily say anything about their openmindedness.

 

The first sentence was intended to be mostly rhetorical.

 

Yeah ok I understand but rap is fairly repetitive in the sense there is less original/new melodies on the vocals. So if one does not like that kind of vocal style it seems very logical to not get much enjoyment out of the genre.

 

I have a hard time with reggae,which I think makes me uncool.I do like Gregory Isaacs though and of course Bob Marley.I don't really like death metal,or any of those associated genres,but do like some regular metal,it depends on the band and the individuals - like if I connect with them.I also have a hard time with most contemporary so called R'n'b,that whole wide boy pimp/ho cheap trash look at how much bling I got,and all those fucking gyrating twerking hips and shit like that.As far as possible I like to create my own admittedly fragile bubble and exclude the miasma of cognitive dissonance that this shit is trying to pump out at me.Like if I'm taking a taxi ride I will ask the driver to turn the radio off.This is also why I don't watch ~TV.It's like a thousand million voices screaming in my eyes.I like some rap like Mos Def and Jurassic Five.I feel this is a genre I should take more time to explore.

 

I disagree. It depends on the artist and the particular style of hip-hop. There are different sub-styles of hip-hop. Conscious hip-hop and gangsta rap are two entirely different sub-genres, both in terms of lyrical content and overall sound.

Me personally, I don't pay much attention to lyrics, especially when it comes to hip-hop. I am more focused on the flow and delivery than the actual words and their context. More than that, it's the beat and overall production that draws me in ultimately.

 

Mainstream country is the music I hate the most, for several reasons. Country may be an amusing novelty and alternative culture in some parts of America, but where I live, it's the mainstream culture for idiots. Worse yet, media elites in Nashville rule country music with an iron hand, crushing anyone who doesn't conform to their conservative political/religious views. And the music itself is uncreative and repetitious.

I don't care much about hip hop, one way or the other. I can take it or leave it.

 

If someone wants to hear a classic hip-hop album, check out Ghostface Killah's Supreme Clientele (2000). Ghostface is an example of a rapper whose flow and delivery (not the words or their meaning) is the centerpiece of the music. On this album, the production and beats are among some of the best I've heard from the entire genre. I love this album.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_JhD0HUGYQ"]Ghostface Killah - One - YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2m6Ghnxf8I"]Ghostface Killah - Apollo Kids - YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBU7cfXYWLo"]Ghostface Killah - Mighty Healthy - YouTube

 

I think we need some hippie/hip hop crossover artists.But ~I could get lynched for the things I want to say.I haven't played those three tracks you posted Pressed_Rat,but I will endeavour to.It's just "Ghostface Killah" kind of puts me off due to my vaguely hippy sensibilities.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVdxz37XVfY"]OutKast ATLiens FULL Album - YouTube

 

I do like MC Solar,even though he raps in Fench and I haven't got a clue what's he's on about.

 

Just wait till I post up my belligerent East End Punk Rap track.

 

I love the pun. :2thumbsup:

 

I saw an interview with Gerry Garcia where he said he didn't object to hip hop, but didn't consider it to be 'music'.

I can only tolerate it in small doses, but there are a few things I like,

To Brits Country is probably more exotic than to Americans.
I rarely listen to any of it, except old stuff like Hank Williams and Johnny Cash. Quite like Gillian Welch too, but I guess that's not the sort of stuff you're talking about. Is it?

My own personal dislikes would be poppy chart music (especially when it's more or less just some sexy if screechee babe trading on their sexuality)
Extreme kinds of metal and drum n' bass also get the thumbs down.

There's also some very mediocre classical stuff from the last century which I just find to be extremely dull and un-inspired. Atonalism is about as bad as it gets.

 

Same here actually! But I'm not opposed to some 'fuck' and 'motherfuck' in it either (it can help the flow or so it seems some times :biggrin.
I am a noob of hip hop, since I avoided it the most part of my life. Although gangsta rap can be blamed for the most part for that, I have also found out that sometimes a person is not 'ripe' to dig a certain kind of music. We can't force a very good kind of music on somebody else if they are really not into it at that time. But they may get into it once they feel like it/get triggered somehow by their own mood etc. etc. Why am I rambling about this? Because...

I've skipped everyone's rap/hip hop recommendations over here for years (was not into it) but now I get interested in some of the better artists... Hard to find all the good recommendations again though. So if you recall a good thread (or feel like stating your favs again ) I will actually listen to the whole thing! I like the laid back beats with a touch of funk and nice vocal flow more and more these days. Also sometimes dig the beat/music so much I get interested in the 'instrumental hip hop' thing. But when I check it out myself from scratch I stop after I listen to too much boring examples naturally... (lots of good stuff but lots of bad too as with every genre)

 

Hmmmm...the hippies around where I live really like hip-hop

 

TopNotchStoner posts the best rap here,but he hasn't been on much for a while.I guess the nearest thing to a rap-hippie crossover is PM Dawn.

 

Hip hop probably had a bad rap from hippies due it mostly not being played with live instruments which may have seemed inauthentic in some ways to many who grew up on rock and some of the great instrumentalists of that era. Furthermore, the lyrical content of much of mainstream hip hop glorified ideals which were kind of counter to hippie ideals (I.e. denegration of women, violence, ego-driven machismo) which is still the case in a lot of the commercial hip hop/rap.

Although there are seemingly more who identify with hippie ideals and listen to hip hop now.

The only genre I can think I'm inherently biased against is dubstep and that was due to how it brought in some attitude to the rave scene which was not very prominent prior to it and I don't think it was good for it. Dubstep's popularity has waned in the rave scene as some many of those dubsteps djs play in more mainstream venues and other genres have been embraced now, so I don't have as much issue with it when I hear it on occassion at a rave.

A lot of country and classical don't really move me so much but I'm not inherently biased towards them.

 

Please, it's Jerry Garcia. What he said is that rap/hip hop isn't music, it's street poetry. And I agree. I insist that musicians either sing or play an instrument. Many of these guys can't do either. I have never heard a hip hop song I liked to this day (well, except for one -- "Bust a Move" in the early days and I think it was mainly the video I liked). The values of hip hop (materialism and denigration of women) are the opposite of hippie values.

 

Positive and negative, taste and class. Hippies on the large tried to be positive. Rap and hiphop are toxic pass times for the stupid while they await a carrot suit that fits and a membership in the unwanted-guy-sex club....