Hillary Clinton

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Karen_J, Oct 1, 2015.

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  1. Piney

    Piney Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    My Friend, no one will dispute that Our President was busy. He certainly left a large carbon footprint.

    Anything in here about economic growth ? its still stuck at 2%
     
  2. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    It's very easy to make claims without supporting evidence.
    I have no idea what you are talking about in regards to Obama's carbon footprint, so I'll just ignore that remark.

    Economic growth could be better, but you ignore all the pluses.

    Inflation is low, the deficit has been cut by two-thirds, the unemployment rate has improved from 10% to 4.9% with 76 months of growth, the stock market has record highs a 100% improvement, the GDP has been positive for 25 of the 27 quarters, the housing market has recovered, gasoline prices are low, average income for 99% of the population is the best in 17 years, and exports have been expanded.

    All this after inheriting huge consumer debt, global economic stagnation, two recessions under Bush, the collapse of the auto industry, housing industry, and Wall Street, and a loss of 750,000 jobs a month....all of which he has addressed.
     
  3. MeAgain

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    Thank you, I'll take that as a compliment.
    It's very easy to make claims without facts. It takes work, research, and explanation to present viable arguments.
     
  4. GeorgeJetStoned

    GeorgeJetStoned Odd Member

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    So much kool aid in this "booming" economy!
     
  5. pensfan13

    pensfan13 Senior Member

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    I miss the friendly back and forth banter about Clinton on this thread.
     
  6. The Walking Dickhead

    The Walking Dickhead orbiter of helion

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  7. I buy into them to the extent that I think it's reasonable to ask for an explanation. But, for some reason, one isn't forthcoming. Instead we just get a highly disrespectful meme: "fake news."

    I read them directly from wikileaks among other places.

    You're going to have to do some of the research on your own. I'm not going to go over and over this with you, as I already know you will force me to do, simply because you don't want to directly address the main point of this argument.

    Which is this. Not addressing people's concerns and treating them like they're morons who believe "fake news" is not making this situation safer. It's making people angry, paranoid, and dangerous.

    People take their children very seriously, obviously, and not addressing this is only making things worse. James Alefantis was going to have an interview with Meagan Kelly the other night, which might have done something to satisfy people's paranoia, but no, it was cancelled.

    The status quo wants to pretend our concerns aren't worth addressing, as if this is a legitimate reason for not addressing them -- after all, why address the obviously preposterous? -- but it's not. It's disrespectful and dangerous. If we can't respect each other in this country, then what is the fucking point? Just address the people's concerns like goddamned grown ups, even if they are silly concerns. This isn't going to work if those in power are taken for granted as the only adults in the room.

    Yes, I will find it humorous because I'm a grown up. I don't make a life and death situation of everything like a goddamned child. I'm perfectly willing to accept any sufficient explanation for the evidence in this case. Tell me why it seems like pizza is being used as a code word -- is that too much to ask? Explain why an email speaks of Obama having $65,000 worth of pizza and hot dogs flown into the White House -- was this hyperbole?

    This isn't going away. This is deadly serious and requires proper handling. Which is not ignoring it, calling it fake news, and calling the people who believe it idiots. Contrary to popular belief, that is not making the situation safer. All I am asking for is for this situation to be addressed in a reasonable and honest manner. If Tony Podesta is offended as hell that he is being accused of this, come out and say, "I find this accusation offensive as hell." Can't he do that convincingly? What is the problem?
     
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  8. Okiefreak

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    Yes, and alien abductions and big foot are real too, for those who want to research them on the internet or the tabloids. There are eye witnesses!
     
  9. By all means, continue to insult people's intelligence. See where the hatred you create gets you. It isn't going to be pretty.
     
  10. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

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    Russian hackers hacked the whole election... The Clintonite mainstream media is seriously starting to sound like Alex Jones.
     
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    THE SLAYER WAS LULZ... [​IMG]
     
  12. I'minmyunderwear

    I'minmyunderwear Newbie

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    it'll just be continuously bumped by the same person until the end of time.
     
  13. Aerianne

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    Yeah, those were great. lol
     
  14. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Just in! Hillary still innocent!!!

    Just in, according to the latest update:
    Hillary Clinton still has not ever ever been convicted of any crime, either felony or misnomer. In addition she is not under investigation and is not suing or being sued by anyone, unlike others we could name.

    This really irritates those who shout "lock her up" as they still have no idea what they're talking about.

    But they continue to whine and beat a dead horse 'cause they have no idea what else to do!
     
  15. Moonglow181

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    I think it is their hatred of Hillary that is never going away.
     
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  16. Moonglow181

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    Oh, like Trump is? gotcha.
     
  17. NoxiousGas

    NoxiousGas Old Fart

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    get over it already.
    the real issue is we are now faced with a fucking moron as president.
     
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  18. What happens to peasants that they become defendants of millionaires who would only sit down to eat with them if they could pay $300,000 a plate?

    All accusations aside, in what world can Hillary Clinton be construed as such a good and decent person that ordinary citizens sympathize with her, even feel sorry for her, and go out of their way to protect her reputation?

    Granted, I love all people, Hillary Clinton included. I think she is worthy of love. But how does one feel such sympathy for a woman who wouldn't give them the time of day to save his/her life unless it was politically expedient? I know we all want to be positive, uplifting people, but this defense of Hillary Clinton is embarrassing. Have some dignity.
     
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  19. storch

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    Yeah, that's puzzling when you consider that gross negligence is a crime--especially when you're Secretary of State--and that the FBI and the State Department Inspectors General had this to say about Clinton's actions:

    "We do assess that hostile actors gained access to the private commercial email accounts of people with whom Secretary Clinton was in regular contact from her personal account. We also assess that Secretary Clinton's use of a personal email domain was both known by a large number of people and readily apparent."

    "She also used her personal email extensively while outside the United States, including sending and receiving work-related emails in the territory of sophisticated adversaries. Given that combination of factors, we assess it is possible that hostile actors gained access to Secretary Clinton's personal email account."
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    Government investigators said Friday that they had discovered classified information on the private email account that Hillary Rodham Clinton used while secretary of state, stating unequivocally that those secrets never should have been stored outside of secure government computer systems. Mrs. Clinton has said for months that she kept no classified information on the private server that she set up in her house so she would not have to carry both a personal phone and a work phone. Her campaign said Friday that any government secrets found on the server had been classified after the fact.

    But the inspectors general of the State Department and the nation's intelligence agencies ​(I bolded that because I know you trust your nations intelligence agencies implicitly) said the information they found was classified when it was sent and remains so now. Information is considered classified if its disclosure would likely harm national security, and such information can be sent or stored only on computer networks with special safeguards.
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    This is so "in your face" gross negligence. But diehard Hillary fans will not question why she was not charged. All they know is that she wasn't charged, and that makes them happy; the law be damned . . . when convenient.
     
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    but he's leaving in a few weeks.. [​IMG]
     
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  21. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Oops, missed that one.

    So the same guy, Larry Klayman, that has sued Bill Clinton dozens of times, Dick Cheney, Barrack Obama four times, OPEC, the President of Iran, Mark Zuckerberg, Rachel Maddow, Esquire Magazine, the Ground Zero Mosque, the NSA, the author of Pay Any Price: Greed, Power, and Endless War, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, the RNC, the City Pages and the Phoenix Times, all unsuccessfully.

    Technically you are correct..but this lawsuit ain't gonna no where.
     
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