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catstevens · Aug 4, 2006

Dirk_Pitt said:

If they stay as far away from civilians as possible, why was thier Offices IN a 10 story APARTMENT building? Doesnt make sense.
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The locals knew that the 10-story apartment building had been the office, and possibly the residence, of Sheik Tawouk, the Hezbollah commander for the south, so they had moved their families out at the start of the war
I think he means there were offices (political probably) before the war, but I think nobody is there now (fighters), In the middle-East you can find Apartment building includes offices or even clinic.

Dirk_Pitt said:

Except it housed the offices of the commander of Hezbollah for the south?
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read this

In the south, where Shiites dominate, just about everyone supports Hezbollah. Does mere support for Hezbollah, or even participation in Hezbollah activities, mean your house and family are fair game? Do you need to fire rockets from your front yard? Or is it enough to be a political activist? The Israelis are consistent: They bomb everyone and everything remotely associated with Hezbollah, including noncombatants. In effect, that means punishing Lebanon. The nation is 40 percent Shiite, and of that 40 percent, tens of thousands are employed by Hezbollah's social services, political operations, schools, and other nonmilitary functions. The "terrorist" organization Hezbollah is Lebanon's second-biggest employer.

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The handful of people in the town include some from Hezbollah's political wing, as well as volunteers keeping an eye on things while the residents are gone. Off to the side, as we watch the Israelis pummel ridgelines on the outskirts of town, one of the political operatives explains that the fighters never come near the town, reinforcing what other Hezbollah people have told me over the years. Although Israel targets apartments and offices because they are considered "Hezbollah" installations, the group has a clear policy of keeping its fighters away from civilians as much as possible.
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Dirk_Pitt said:

Left the area to the Hezbollah fighters, Reads like the fighters were there already amoung the civilians and when they got bombed the civilains left.
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I understand that as the journalist say they don't trust the civilians when they got out they knew about it and went there.

Dirk_Pitt said:

This appears to be some kind of BLOG site http://fairuse.100webcustomers.com
and who the heck is Bob Croslin from your other link?
Has this article been published on anything beside a blog site?
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Check this and this
Check what's written under the photo, he is a journalist and did you read this:

Unlike the fighters in the half dozen other countries where I have covered insurgencies, Hezbollah fighters do not like to show off for the cameras. In Iraq, with some risk taking, you can meet with and even watch the resistance guys in action. (At least you could during my last time there.) In Afghanistan, you can lunch with Taliban fighters if you're willing to walk a day or so in the mountains. In Gaza and the West Bank, the Fatah or Hamas fighter is almost ubiquitous with his mask, gun and sloganeering to convince the Western journalist of the justice of his cause.
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Allah knows best
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Yours Sincerely,
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catstevens · Aug 4, 2006

you can contact the site to ask them about him, the point is his analyse whether he wrote or someone else is very good, that they don't trust the civilians.

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catstevens · Aug 4, 2006

Dirk_Pitt said:

If they stay as far away from civilians as possible, why was thier Offices IN a 10 story APARTMENT building? Doesnt make sense.

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hahaha I can't believe this, THIS OFFICE WAS THERE EVEN BEFOR THE WAR GET IT, please I wasted much time in this thread. An regarding that guy as I told conntact the site.

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catstevens · Aug 4, 2006

As for post#99 I already said THIS IS VERY BORING maybe next time I should take money on some replies Hezbollah denied being there, so these houses were they empty at the time, and UN is dead to me and to many ppl

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catstevens · Aug 4, 2006

Dirk_Pitt said:

Military Office in a 10 story APARTMENT building. Should not be there before during or after the war.
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Nah, They will do whatever they want as long as it is legal in LEBANON not in the invaded land!.

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catstevens · Aug 4, 2006

But Masha'Allah it was a very good analyse, yeah they shouldn't trust civilians

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If building was empty why did civilians die?

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Come on maybe these videos weren't taken in Qana or next that building and if so were they empty at the time bla bla bla hahaha maybe we are going to repeat things over and over again

Dirk_Pitt said:

Sure they can do whatever they want that dont make it right or even a smart thing to do
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It is right and smart it is legal in lebanon =P

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The article even said the owner of the building DID NOT even want Hezbollah there, they moved in anyway
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The landlord had refused to rent to Hezbollah when they requested the top floors of the building

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catstevens · Aug 4, 2006

Dirk_Pitt said:

They were reportedly were Qana, there is no independant verification for or against this claim.
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Ok, in Qana but was it next that building who knows? if no, were these houses empty at the time,Qana isn't only 10metres

So offices were there before war started and after they wanted to move in more "fighters" against the owners will because he knew the building would get bombed.
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As the president of Lebanon said that the army cannot handle this Task, but Hezbollah, they should say yes to them they are defending the country they are the real army their orders is lik the army's orders. They requested the top floors of the building

And when I said;'

It is right and smart it is legal in lebanon =P I ment this:
The locals knew that the 10-story apartment building had been the office, and possibly the residence, of Sheik Tawouk, the Hezbollah commander for the south, so they had moved their families out at the start of the war
It is legal to have your office in that building.get it

Dirk_Pitt said:

Brother cat it has been spirited and informative, but this is becoming long and tiresom.
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Dirk_Pitt said:

Bless you for giving me your perspective.

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you are more than welcome brother
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catstevens · Aug 4, 2006

Dirk_Pitt said:

May peace be with you always my friend
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Thank you brother may Peace & Love be with you always, Amen
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catstevens · Aug 4, 2006

Addition

Try to make it less (damage the building only), choose the best angle to fire your evil rocket at the defender, choose the weapon which the results of its explosion don't expand widely.
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Sunday, July 23, 2006

UN humanitarian chief touring Beirut says excessive force violates international law
Bernard Hibbitts at 11:31 AM ET
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Touring south Beirut Sunday, United Nations relief coordinator Jan Egeland said the damage to civilian areas caused by Israeli airstrikes was worse than he had anticipated and reemphasized that attacking civilians was illegal under intrenational norms. "It is horrific. I did not know it was block after block of houses... It seems to be an excessive use of force in an area with so many civilians," said Egeland, described by reporters as "visibly shocked." "It makes it a violation of humanitarian law." He acknowledged, however, that he did not have all the information he might want: "What we do not know, for humanitarians, what was between these buildings, what military targets? But it seems excessive."
He said the Hezbollah rocket attacks were "deplorable and despicable," but added that Israel's response had been "disproportionate, when to my thinking one third of the wounded and killed are women and children, then it clearly goes far beyond responding to armed groups."

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catstevens · Aug 4, 2006

Dirk_Pitt said:

JazakAllahu khair
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Dirk_Pitt said:

(I hope that is correct)

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you know this, Oh Amen to That ^^ It is HIGHLY APPRECIATED thank you very much bother, JazakAllah Khairan
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guy · Aug 4, 2006

Dirk_Pitt said:

Again I am not blaming the resistance for resisting. I simply asked a question of partial blame. Read the thread before jumping in with nonsense.

let me make it extremely simple just for you

Is it ok to endanger someone elses life to protect your own?
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this is called historical context. i never realised this was nonsense, i guess its time to throw all those books away.

catstevens · Aug 5, 2006

Here is another report

Israeli military accused of whitewash
Rory McCarthy at Hazor air force base
Friday August 4, 2006 Source

Human rights groups have criticised Israeli targeting in the air campaign. Amnesty International described the investigation as "clearly inadequate" and a "whitewash". In a report into Israeli air strikes on Lebanon, the New York-based Human Rights Watch said the Israelis had "systematically failed to distinguish between combatants and civilians".
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The house was attacked at 00:52am on Sunday morning with two aerial missiles, acording to the Israeli military. One exploded, the second apparently did not detonate.
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Amnesty International called for an international fact-finding mission and said its interviews showed the civilians had been sheltering in the basement for two weeks before the raid. "Their presence must have been known to Israeli forces whose surveillance drones frequently flew over the village," Amnesty said.
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Pilots are given targets by air force headquarters, but they have the right to cancel a bombing mission while in the air if they see civilians nearby.

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catstevens · Aug 5, 2006

Another on topic story
War of Media Deception

Israel, Not Hizbullah, is Putting Civilians in Danger on Both Sides of the Border Source

By JONATHAN COOK

Nazareth. August 3, 2006

Jonathan Cook[size=-1] is a writer and journalist based in Nazareth, Israel. He is the author of the forthcoming "Blood and Religion: The Unmasking of the Jewish and Democratic State" published by Pluto Press, and available in the United States from the University of Michigan Press. [/size]
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[size=-1]His website is www.jkcook.net[/size]
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[size=+3]H[/size][size=-1]ere are some interesting points raised this week by a leading commentator and published in a respected daily newspaper: "The Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert embeds his soldiers in Israeli communities, next to schools, beside hospitals, close to welfare centres, ensuring that any Israeli target is also a civilian target. This is the practice the UN's Jan Egeland had in mind when he lambasted Israel's 'cowardly blending ... among women and children'. It may be cowardly, but in the new warfare it also makes macabre sense. For this is a propaganda war as much as a shooting one, and in such a conflict to lose civilians on your own side represents a kind of victory."[/size]

[size=-1]You probably did not read far before realising that I had switched "Israel" for "Hizbullah" and "Ehud Olmert" for "Hassan Nasrallah". The paragraph was taken from an opinion piece by Jonathan Freedland published in Britain's Guardian newspaper on 2 August. My attempt at deception was futile because no one seems to seriously believe that criticisms of the kind expressed above can be levelled against Israel.[/size]

[size=-1]Freedland, like most commentators in our media, assumes that Hizbullah is using the Lebanese population as "human shields", hiding its fighters, arsenals and rocket launchers inside civilian areas. "Cowardly" behaviour rather than the nature of Israel's air strikes, in his view, explains the spiralling death toll among Lebanese civilians. This perception of Hizbullah's tactics grows more common by the day, even though it flies in the face of the research of independent observers in Lebanon such as Human Rights Watch.[/size]

[size=-1]Explaining the findings of its latest report, HRW's executive director, Kenneth Roth, blames Israel for targeting civilians indiscriminately in Lebanon. "The pattern of attacks shows the Israeli military's disturbing disregard for the lives of Lebanese civilians. Our research shows that Israel's claim that Hezbollah [sic] fighters are hiding among civilians does not explain, let alone justify, Israel's indiscriminate warfare."[/size]
HRW has analysed the casualty figures from two dozen Israeli air strikes and found that more than 40 per cent of the dead are children: 63 out of 153 fatalities. Conservatively, HRW puts the civilian death toll so far at over 500. Lebanese hospital records suggest the figure is now well over 750, with potentially many more bodies yet to be excavated from the rubble of buildings obliterated by Israeli attacks.
[size=-1]Giving the lie to the "human shields" theory, HRW says its researchers "found numerous cases in which the IDF [Israeli army] launched artillery and air attacks with limited or dubious military objectives but excessive civilian cost. In many cases, Israeli forces struck an area with no apparent military target. In some instances, Israeli forces appear to have deliberately targeted civilians."[/size]

[size=-1]In fact, of the 24 incidents they document, HRW researchers could find no evidence that Hizbullah was operating in or near the areas that were attacked by the Israeli air force. Roth states: "The image that Israel has promoted of such [human] shielding as the cause of so high a civilian death toll is wrong. In the many cases of civilian deaths examined by Human Rights Watch, the location of Hezbollah troops and arms had nothing to do with the deaths because there was no Hezbollah around."[/size]

[size=-1]The impression that Hizbullah is using civilians as human shields has been reinforced, according to HRW, by official Israeli statements that have "blurred the distinction between civilians and combatants, arguing that only people associated with Hezbollah remain in southern Lebanon, so all are legitimate targets of attack."[/size]

[size=-1]Freedland makes a similar point. Echoing comments by the UN's Jan Egeland, he says Hizbullah fighters are "cowardly blending" with Lebanon's civilian population. It is difficult to know what to make of this observation. If Freedland means that Hizbullah fighters come from Lebanese towns and villages and have families living there whom they visit and live among, he is right. But exactly the same can be said of Israel and its soldiers, who return from the battlefront (in this case inside Lebanon, as they are now an invading army) to live with parents or spouses in Israeli communities. Armed and uniformed soldiers can be seen all over Israel, sitting in trains, queuing in banks, waiting with civilians at bus stops. Does that mean they are "cowardly blending' with Israel's civilian population?[/size]

[size=-1]Egeland and Freedland's criticism seems to amount to little more than blaming Hizbullah fighters for not standing in open fields waiting to be picked off by Israeli tanks and war planes. That, presumably, would be brave. But in reality no army fights in this way, and Hizbullah can hardly be criticised for using the only strategic defences it has: its underground bunkers and the crumbling fortifications of Lebanese villages ruined by Israeli pounding. An army defending itself from invasion has to make the most of whatever protection it can find: as long as it does not intentionally put civilians at risk. But HRW's research shows convincingly that Hizbullah is not doing this.[/size]

[size=-1]So if Israeli officials have been deceiving us about what has been occurring inside Lebanon, have they also been misleading us about Hizbullah's rocket attacks on Israel? Should we take at face value government and army statements that Hizbullah's strikes into Israel are targeting civilians indiscriminately, or do they need more serious investigation?[/size]

[size=-1]Although we should not romanticise Hizbullah, equally we should not be quick to demonise it either: unless there is convincing evidence suggesting it has been firing on civilian targets. The problem is that Israel has been abusing very successfully its military censorship rules governing both its domestic media and visiting foreign journalists to prevent meaningful discussion of what Hizbullah has been trying to hit inside Israel.[/size]

[size=-1]I live in northern Israel in the Arab city of Nazareth. A week into the war we were hit by Hizbullah rockets that killed two young brothers. The attack, it was widely claimed, was proof either that Hizbullah was indiscriminately targeting civilians (so indiscriminately, the argument went, that it was hitting fellow Arabs) or that the Shiite militia was so committed to a fanatical war against the Judeo-Christian world that it was happy to kill Nazareth's Christian Arabs too. The latter claim could be easily dismissed: it depended both on a "clash of civilisations" philosophy not shared by Hizbullah and on the mistaken assumption that Nazareth is a Christian city, when in fact, as is well-known to Hizbullah, Nazareth has a convincing Muslim majority.[/size]

[size=-1]But to anyone living in Nazareth, it was clear the rocket attack on the city was not indiscriminate either. It was a mistake -- something Nasrallah quickly confirmed in one of his televised speeches. The real target of the strike was known to Nazarenes: close by the city are a military weapons factory and a large military camp. Hizbullah knows the locations of these military targets because this year, as was widely reported in the Israeli media at the time, it managed to fly an unmanned drone over the Galilee photographing the area in detail -- employing the same spying techniques used for many years by Israel against Lebanon.[/size]

[size=-1]One of Hizbullah's first rocket attacks after the outbreak of hostilities -- after Israel went on the bombing offensive by blitzing targets across Lebanon -- was on a kibbutz overlooking the border with Lebanon. Some foreign correspondents noted at the time (though given Israel's press censorship laws I cannot confirm) that the rocket strike targeted a top-secret military traffic control centre built into the Galilee's hills.[/size]

[size=-1]There are hundreds of similar military installations next to or inside Israel's northern communities. Some distance from Nazareth, for example, Israel has built a large weapons factory virtually on top of an Arab town -- so close to it, in fact, that the factory's perimeter fence is only a few metres from the main building of the local junior school. There have been reports of rockets landing close to that Arab community.[/size]

[size=-1]How these kind of attacks are being unfairly presented in the Israeli and foreign media was highlighted recently when it was widely reported that a Hizbullah rocket had landed "near a hospital" in a named Israeli city, not the first time that such a claim has been made over the past few weeks. I cannot name the city, again because of Israel's press censorship laws and because I also want to point out that very "near" that hospital is an army camp. The media suggested that Hizbullah was trying to hit the hospital, but it is also more than possible it was trying to strike -- and may have struck -- the army camp.[/size]

[size=-1]Israel's military censorship laws are therefore allowing officials to misrepresent, unchallenged, any attack by Hizbullah as an indiscriminate strike against civilian targets.[/size]

[size=-1]Audiences ought to be alerted to this danger by their media. Any reports touching on "security matters" are supposed to be submitted to the country's military censor, but few media are pointing this out in their reporting. Most justify this deception to themselves on the grounds that in practice they never run their reports by the censor as it would delay publication.[/size]

[size=-1]Instead, they avoid problems with the military censor either by self-censoring their reporting on security issues or by relying on what has already been published in the Israeli media on the assumption that in these ways they are unlikely to contravene the rules.[/size]

[size=-1]An email memo, written by a senior BBC editor and leaked more than a week ago, discusses the growing restrictions being placed on the organisation's reporters in Israel. It hints at some of the problems noted above, observing that "the more general we are, the free-er hand we have; more specific and it becomes increasingly tricky." The editor says the channel will notify viewers of these restrictions in "the narrative of the story". "The teams on the ground will make clear what they can and cannot say -- and if necessary make clear that we're operating under reporting restrictions." In practice, however, BBC correspondents, like most of their media colleagues, rarely alert us to the fact they are operating under censorship, and self-censorship, or that they cannot give us the full picture of what is happening.[/size]

[size=-1]Because of this, commentators like Freedland are drawing conclusions that cannot be sustained by the available evidence. He notes in his article that "this is a propaganda war as much as a shooting one". He is right, but does not seem to know who is really winning the propaganda offensive.[/size]

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Yours Sincerely,
Cat Stevens

catstevens · Aug 8, 2006

yeah, we already talked about that, and I gave 2 examples as well.

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catstevens · Aug 8, 2006

Catstevens' photos
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stepdaddy · Aug 11, 2006

I am reminded of something I heard Arlo Guthrie say once.. If you can't do it for yourself how can you expect to do it for the world. I am surprised at the finger pointing on here. This war is a terrible thing.. children are dying on both sides.

They hid the missles behind civilians.. well they blew up our civilians first.. they are terrorists.. they are invaders.. While these missles fly back and forth our brothers and sisters on both sides of the border die.

peace and love

catstevens · Aug 12, 2006

stepdaddy

stepdaddy said:

They hid the missles behind civilians..
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Who.

stepdaddy said:

well they blew up our civilians first.. they are terrorists..
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Who

stepdaddy said:

they are invaders..
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Of course Israel.

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Cat Stevens

gardener · Aug 12, 2006

stepdaddy said:

I am reminded of something I heard Arlo Guthrie say once.. If you can't do it for yourself how can you expect to do it for the world. I am surprised at the finger pointing on here. This war is a terrible thing.. children are dying on both sides.

They hid the missles behind civilians.. well they blew up our civilians first.. they are terrorists.. they are invaders.. While these missles fly back and forth our brothers and sisters on both sides of the border die.

peace and love
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Hezbollah aren't the only ones hiding behind civilians. To buy into that is to be uninformed.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2006/07/28/hezbollah/index_np.html

LickHERish · Aug 12, 2006

"Hiding behind civilians" is an IDF/Israeli-state propaganda phrase which is meaningless. Hezbollah arose from amongst the civilian population and is in essence a civil defence resistance to never ending grasping Zionist colonialist intent over Southern Lebanese territory (which the IDF never did completely cease to occupy despite bogus claims to the contrary oft regurgitated by mainstream "news" agencies).

gardener · Aug 13, 2006

I have a Jewish friend that keeps sending me links to phonied Hezbollah media coverage. I think both sides are at fault. And I stand where I do, saying no loss of innocent life is justified. You can both phony up photos and film and media reports. I will make my judgements based on the response to the threat, and my understanding of the gravity of that threat. If either side valued the lives of their citizens they would stop.

http://newsbusters.org/node/6574

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