He's not gonna be saying the pledge of allegiance

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  1. Meliai

    Meliai Banned

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    Yes I can see that happening frequently too. My cousin does the unschooling thing With her kids which I don't agree with at all.

    You think Montessori school sucks? I like what I've heard about it so far - my same friend that was homeschooled is now a Montessori teacher and she raves about it.
     
  2. Frieden

    Frieden Senior Member

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    His mother is a crack head who cannot form a coherent thought. THAT'S why I feel bad for the kid. I personally would never homeschool my child, but I don't necessarily have anything against the idea.
     
  3. NoxiousGas

    NoxiousGas Old Fart

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    In our experience in working with a few Montessori schools is just what I said. The students are often "troubled" in some way making public school difficult.

    The biggest problem with Montessori's educational philosophy is that the children pretty much do whatever the fuck they want, and are not that responsive to authority.
    But that is because the kids are often treated as fragile little china dolls and are catered to WAYYY too much.

    Now of course there have been kids that went to Montessori that were great, well adjusted, achieving people, but they are the definite minority.
    At least that has been my experience/impression.


    We home schooled two of my daughters for a year; Kinder/1st grade for one, 2nd for the other. The only reason we did that was because our kids were tested the GATE program (Gifted and Talented Education) and our youngest at the time scored a 92% on the test with never having spent a day in school and never taking a test before. Scores of 95% or better get into the program, which my other daughter did readily. Because of the little one's birthday she wasn't allowed to enroll until the following year.
    So we home schooled and enrolled her the following year as a first grader, and she kicked ass.
    She is now graduating HS this year with like a 4.7 GPA and has taken nothing but AP classes since 7th grade.
    She's a helluva lot smarter than me, that's for sure.

    Off topic, sorry, proud poppa coming out. :p

    Bottom line, home schooling is a viable option BUT it is a LOT of work for the parent, takes a very disciplined parent/child and you HAVE to let your kid interact with other kids, especially kids that are new to them. They need to learn how to deal with social interaction and problem solving.

    BUT choosing to home school because of the pledge of allegiance is asinine and doesn't sound like the intelligence level needed to home school.
     
  4. Meliai

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    Interesting. Thanks for the different perspective on Montessori. My baby is only 7 months so I have time to figure it all out!
     
  5. AmericanTerrorist

    AmericanTerrorist Bliss

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    Originally Posted by NoxiousGas
    This, like I said it takes a unique combo of parent/child to be successful.
    But in our experience often people who don't posses the education needed decide to home school for lame reasons such as the OP. Those are the ones who most often fail at home schooling.


    Excuse me but do you have any idea at ALL of the reasons I'm considering home schooling my child? No, you do not and if you think it's because I don't want him to say the pledge of allegiance than you are just ridiculous.

    I want to home school him because I feel I could do a much better job than the public school system around here. The drop out/graduation rates, etc are terrible. I have seen bullying and gun violence in these schools and I do not want my child to grow up around the kids that come from the types of homes they come from.

    I feel I can provide a better curriculum for my child than the public schools but the pledge has shit to do with it.
    Also, my purpose in life.. my JOB in life is taking care of my child and being a good mommy so why wouldn't I want to teach my child? It's my higher purpose.
     
  6. AmericanTerrorist

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    Another quote from Nox. Gas...
    "BUT choosing to home school because of the pledge of allegiance is asinine and doesn't sound like the intelligence level needed to home school."




    Who exactly is choosing to home school because of the pledge?
    If I don't want him to say the pledge Ill tell him to stand there quietly and respectfully but not to SAY it.
    If I chose to home school it's to keep him away from the things in public schools that he doesn't need to be around. I have a thread about this in the homeschooling forum and it's all about those issues and nothing about the pledge.

    I hate it when someone makes an assumption based on flawed theory. "The op poster made a thread about the pledge and mentioned home schooling, therefore that MUST be her reasoning". Such flawed logic I'm not even gonna be bothered replying to any posts by this poster anymore.
     
  7. AmericanTerrorist

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    I'm a crack head who can't form a coherent thought?

    I'd keep the personal attacks out of this thread if I were you.

    Wouldn't you think a crack head would have to smoke crack? Or at least use some other kind of drug? And you feel sorry for my child? That's so funny considering you have no idea what type of life my child lives. He's never even seen a person, ever, use a drug or drink. Nobody smokes cig or anything else around him and never has. He lives in a happy home w a mother who does crafts with him everyday and plays outside with him and he gets lots of cuddles, love and attention.
    And btw, my son is just barely over two yrs old and he can already count to 50 out loud, read, write his name (poorly but legible), do simple addiction and subtraction, say his alphabet, say the beginning of the backwards alphabet and name 30 (yes, 30) colors. He also helps do the dishes, cleans up after himself and says "please" and "thank you" to everybody. So, I must be doing something right. :)

    You are ridiculous and I'd appreciate you not speaking of or to me anymore.


    And as for Noxious again... how do you know how much education I have?
     
  8. AmericanTerrorist

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    Okay, I have reported the personal attack- because though I don't care about what some online person says about me...start going into attacks that have to do with my son or me as a mother (which is the most important thing in the world to me) and I will not tolerate that. That's not what the forums are for. If someone wants to debate IDEAS, debate ideas. Attacking another person is just weak anyways.

    Now I am going to go and block her posts so I don't have to read them anymore.
    Therefore if this person responds to me, please everyone else, just don't feed it by responding to her. Appreciate it!

    Have a good day everyone else! And I don't mind debating ideas... noxious's posts were fine because his responses were about the pledge. So, if something is on topic and not personal, I value other's opinions.
     
  9. Frieden

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    There was no personal attack. I recall when you were making it very well known that you were a substance abuse user. You talk all the time about wanting to do drugs, even suggest to doing shrooms since they're out of your system in 48 hours. I'm just calling it as I see it, Lucky. Oh, and isn't making additional usernames, particularly after one has been banned, against the rules? Hmmm
     
  10. AmericanTerrorist

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    None of my user names are banned, silly. :) Look up luckystripe (the last name I used before this one and the one I had for years), it is not banned and it was never banned. I left because I wanted to.. because I needed to focus on other things for a while...


    I just don't think it's right to call someone a crackhead because of any drugs they happened to do before they had a child. If someone was doing those things with a child there that is horrible but I would never do that, therefore, your comments are just rude and petty and don't even make any sense.

    And I mentioned I wanna eat shrooms someday? In a few years?
    Okay, yes, that makes me a crackhead. Especially because it was just talk and I prolly won't even do it... yep. You show your intelligence.

    Could you please stop talking to me now?
     
  11. Frieden

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    I've yet to meet a drug addict that takes responsibility for their actions/words. It's just one excuse after the nextz. Mostly, they're just really bad people that have nothing to offer to anybody. You're a fine example.
     
  12. AmericanTerrorist

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    Watch the personal attacks. Because these are personal attacks.

    It looks like you worry way too much about other people. Worry about yourself. I feel sorry your kids have to grow up with such a judgemental, rude mom. :(

    And I really don't consider myself a drug addict considering I do not use drugs and have no intention of using drugs. But you let me worry about if I take responsibility for my actions/behaviors. Because i could go into it but I have a support system for that and have ways to be accountable.
    I can almost guarantee I live my life in a way to promptly correct my mistakes and strive to do the right thing more than most people.

    Move on...

    (p.s.- still waiting to hear what name was ever banned? considering that is false.)
     
  13. Aerianne

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    Time to chill out.

    When this bickering ends up in my in-box, it's over.

    Threads that are taken off topic and dissolve into personal bickering are closed.
     
  14. drumminmama

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    How my son and I handled it:
    Son, at public school (divorces get nasty and it is amazing what can get into custody paperwork): stand quietly, and demonstrate to respect for those who feel differently than you about the pledge. This was cleared with each teacher each year, and the principal once per school. The fact that he loves Woody Guthrie and sang this "land is your land" with gusto helped.
    Son, watching his mom the reporter at public meeting where the pledge is recited:
    Stand silently with mom, showing respect for the right of others to have differing viewpoints.

    We discussed why the pledge is such an emotional issue for people. He might well have been the only third grader who knew it was added to during the Red Scare McCarthy years.

    Later he got the back story about the 1893 world expo in Chicago, the adoption during WWII, and then the religious additions in case those commies came to get us while we were cowering under out school desks.

    I recently learned that he original pledge was written by a self proclaimed socialist, albeit Xtian socialist.
    Now that tickles my subversive bone, and I'm likely now to recite the original Bellamy version in public, giving voice to the original ideals.

    I think it does say something important: work together, be united.
    I do not think any nation, tribe, faith or political worldview has a monopoly on that concept.
     
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