Here's somthin for all the stoners to think about :)

yay for thread revival, this is a good one too

 

what, why? christ, think about something that really matters. think about why you exist, think about whether or not you serve a purpose, don't think about something that not only won't benefit you in any way, but can't possibly be resolved. this is so freaking trite and ridiculous...nothing can not be comprehended, because human understanding extends only as far as experience, and so nothing mentioned will even come close to describing it. and it isn't worth going into how linguistics distorts this whole thing further.

look inward, not outward.

 

Anyway, I was thinking about the whole "nothing is white, whites a color, so nothing is something" thing, and realized that it doesn't work. 0 is a number. It represents nothing, but it is colored black. That doesn't mean that it is suddenly something. I dont think our 4th demensional minds can see nothing. All we can do is not see it, since it isnt anything.

Wait, wouldn't nothing not be an "it", 'cause nothing isn't anything? Nothing is just that, nothing, right? So how can it be a thing to refer to?

 

What if that "end" was really painted with hippy colors like in those drawings from the sixties and just hasn't been lit up yet. That'd be wild.

 

To truly see nothing, try this little test.

Hold up your hand. Let your palm "look" around the room. What does it see? It does not see black or white does it? It "sees" nothing.

Thank you for participating. Did you hold up your hand? A man that was blind from birth told me about this example.

 

Oooo...Yeah Imagine that, it'd be crazy

 

hmmmmmmm.yeah but we use our eyes to see " palms of hands are there for "feeling " like a reactor man . i mean if we stick the palms of our hands on snow " our reactor tells us its cold . same as we stick our hands on a radiator " hot " .eyes on the other hand ( figure of speach) dont mean litterally " are our seers . so surely our eyes never see nothing./ theres always something..................i see a hawkwind album being played...........into space....stonehenge 1984............catch ya"s later ..........peace

 

hes right, "nothing" is subjective...like "what did you do tonighty? --"nothing" but you cant actually see the nothing that your palm sees...if it could see it would see the whole room

 

oh yes they are--they're just small ones. just because they're small, doesn't mean they can't be full-out legit black holes.

 

According to the theory of relativity and duality, there can't be nothing if there isn't also something. So, because I am and I type these words, there is nothing to worry about.

 

I would say that, since the word nothing and our interpretation of something... is purely only a human concept, without knowing anything beyond matter substance... that there could be things we dont even see... kind of the whole 4th dimension deal.. or whatever.. I dunno, I'm fucking stoned.

 

i dont think theyre "legit" black holes though..they have the characteristics of black hoels but not for the same reasons as real blackholes

 

Theres a lot of heavy shit in here. Can anyone recomend any good books about this matter? Theres a shitload of reading information out there and I need a somewhat simple place to start! Maybe then I can have some kind of actual comment to make with regards to the conversation.

Oh yeah, as far as aliens and space travel, maybe the aliens have some type of technology that we can't even imagine because of the confines of our planet. Just a thought.

 

i read The Fabric of the Cosmos...it pretty much covers everything from understanding reletivity to time to the big bang and blackholes

 

your not very old are you?

 

of course not for the same reasons as real blackholes. no shit--they're made in a lab, not in outerspace. obviously it's going to be different. if we made huge blackholes--if we could--we'd kill ourselves. but the ones we're making in the lab are "real" blackholes and they swallow light particles, just as big blackholes. only difference is that they are godamn tiny so they don't swallow matter.

this article is FIVE years old, but hopefully it will be enough for you to stop doubting their legitimacy:

http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20000205/fob4.asp

 

Heh, I was stoned last night, and I read an article about the mini-black holes somewhere. It occured to me that they are the perfect plot for a end-of-the-world style movie! Think about it, Tom Cruise and the gang have to stop an out of control mini black hole from destroying the earth! They have to bring a big ass nuke to it, and blow it up in aproximately 24 hours, or it will be too big to stop!

The only to get to it in time is to use some ultra-risky way of transportation that almost breaks at one point. It all ends in a dramitic plot twist, where one of the members of the super-star team of black-hole hunters decides to try and not blow it up, and almost succeeds! But he ends up seeing the light, and sacrifices himself to destroy the blackhole (possibly riding the nuke into it?).

A perfectly corny ass movie, that makes less sense scientifically and would suck more then Core did. But, shit, thats Hollywood for you.

 

purple gel do you know how small the black holes in space are? theyre whats called, and im sure you know this, a singularity. this is what a black hole is. when matter is compressed into an ever shrinking size, its density increases and once this happens, the gravitational potential of nearby matter increases, and then nothing can stop it.

id like to see information on these experiments if you can, but until then id say that they are quasi-black holes because if they were real ones then theyd consume the laboratory they are being studied in, and then continue to consume the whole world and our solarsystem, growing constantly. the only way this wouldnt happen is if the black holes arent actually black holes, but behave similarly for observational purposes.

ive looked it up and i cant find any experiment referring to the actual creation of black holes undergoing, except proposed techniques for doing so.

they should not be allowed to create a black hole until they know precisely how to destroy it if something goes wrong, otherwise our whole earth would be in -danger- of being destroyed, though it might not happen, it is too much of a risk to make.

(they theoretically see black holes as being able to dissipate in a "10-25" seconds. but its all theoretical. is it worth it? i dont think so)

 

Stopping it? Simple, just make Hollywood make a movie about it, then do what they did.