Hephatrump's cure for the wildfires !!!

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  1. Vladimir Illich

    Vladimir Illich Members

    According to this absolute genius (not), Hephatrump says that the cure for the wild fires across Washington, Oregon & Calafornia is: ......... "it will get cooler " !!! :laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing:

    Trump Has Head-Scratching Solution For California Wildfires : 'It Will Start Getting Cooler'
    "I wish science agreed with you," California official Wade Crowfoot told the president.

    President Donald Trump touched down in California on Monday to survey the wildfire damage and immediately launched into his usual talking points about poor forest management while denying the role of climate change.

    Trump arrived in Sacramento as more than two dozen major wildfires burned across the state. More than 2 million acres in the state have burned this year, a nearly 2,000% increase in land burned compared to this time last year.

    At a roundtable discussion about the wildfires, California Secretary for Natural Resources Wade Crowfoot said Trump’s focus on forest management was obscuring the grim reality that climate change was behind the historically high temperatures and years of drought.

    “It will start getting cooler. You just watch,” Trump fired back at Crowfoot, adding, “I don’t think science knows actually.”

    Minutes before, when Trump had just disembarked his plane, reporters repeatedly asked him to acknowledge how climate change has influenced the situation. But Trump wouldn’t budge on his claims that the disaster is simply a matter of cleaning up the state’s forests.

    “I think this is more of a management situation,” Trump said to one of the reporters. “If you look at other countries, if you go to other countries in Europe, Austria and Finland and numerous countries ... they don’t have problems like this,” even with “explosive” trees.

    “When trees fall down, after a short period of time they become very dry — really like a matchstick ... and they can explode,” he continued. “Also leaves. When you have dried leaves on the ground, it’s just fuel for the fires.”

    For the last three and a half years, the Trump administration has denied and downplayed the role of climate change in driving extreme wildfires in the West. During the wildfires that plagued California in 2018, for example, then-Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke told KCRA-TV that the inferno had “nothing to do with climate change,” only to declare days later that “of course” it’s a factor.

    Instead, Trump and his team have spent their time threatening to withhold federal relief funds for California, using the disasters to push partisan policies and working to boost logging on millions of federal acres. The president has also repeatedly blamed California’s wildfire problem on the state, claiming that it has failed to properly manage ― more specifically, “rake” and “sweep” ― its forests. The reality, however, is that the federal government owns far more of the state’s 33 million forest acres than the state does ― and it is on those federal lands that some of the state’s largest fires have burned.

    “We acknowledge our role and responsibility to do more in that space,” governor Gavin Newsom said at the roundtable Monday. “But one thing is fundamental — 57% of the land in this state is federal forest land, 3% is California [land].” He stressed that California needs support from the federal government in order to address the infernos.

    Earlier on the airstrip, Trump had nothing to say when a reporter asked him if he viewed climate change as an issue in California at all.

    “You’ll have to ask the governor that question. I don’t want to step on his toes,” said Trump, who regularly picks fights with Newsom over his policies.

    The only time the president came close to acknowledging that climate change is real was when he took a jab at other countries.

    “When you get into climate change, well, is India going to change its ways? Is China going to change its ways? Is Russia?” he asked, concluding, “We’re just a small speck.”

    The United States is one of the world’s biggest contributors to greenhouse gas emissions, contributing more than both India and Russia combined.

    While the president has shown little sympathy for the Democratic state of California during its yearly bouts with wildfire, he has stood ready to assist red states facing disaster. His favouritism for states that helped elect him in 2016 has been on full display in the run-up to the 2020 election.

    When a reporter asked him about that Monday, Trump replied, “That’s a nasty question.”
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  2. Tishomingo

    Tishomingo Members

    “It will start getting cooler. You just watch” “I don’t think science knows actually.” Trump says to many nonsensical things its hard to keep track of them all. But these lines are memorable: The wisdom of a fool. When it starts getting cooler in the winter, his supporters with consider it vindication of his prophecy! He's a "very stable genius." (apart from some loose screws and wiring).
    Last edited: Sep 16, 2020 at 10:21 AM
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  3. Dax

    Dax Members

  4. Do you think wildfires are more likely in winter?

    Just one of those vague expressions he throws out to avoid a question or shift focus, its not technically incorrect though

    So when someone like Crowfoot says something like "I wish "science" would agree with you " it sounds like Crowfoot is saying "science" thinks wildfires are more likely in winter
  5. And as usual, would the OP have started a thread on / given a shit about the wildfires in the US had Trump not said anything?
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  6. ZenKarma

    ZenKarma Administrator Staff Member Super Moderator

    @Dax that is blatant misinformation. A look at a map of wildfires worldwide indicates the entire house is on fire, not just California.

    9 16 2020 fire intensity north america.JPG 9 16 2020 fire intensity south and central america.JPG 9 16 2020 fire intensity eurasia.JPG 9 16 2020 fire intensity africa and mid east.JPG 9 16 2020 fire intensity oz.JPG

    These fire intensity maps are from Windy, just moments ago. They use a combination of satellite resources to generate these live maps.
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  7. Dax

    Dax Members

    But how many of these fires are man made?
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  8. Wow, that website is cool, never knew it existed, could have used those swell maps 20 years ago

    Weirdly fast to load as well
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  9. Tishomingo

    Tishomingo Members

    I concede that it will start getting cooler in the winter. I don't think Crowfoot was referring to the prediction of cooler weather in the winter or increased likelihood of wildfires during that season. I doubt that few, if any, observers would give the conversation that spin.
    Well, last year, Brazill was the biggie, followed by Australia and California.
    Amazon fire: Why is the world's largest rain forest burning?
    2019 Was The Year The World Burned | HuffPost
    The year before that, 30 countries encountered forest fires.Sweden experienced the worst fire season in reporting history. https://phys.org/news/2019-11-countries-forest.html
    2017 was worse. Portugal, Northwestern Spain and British Columbia were especially hard hit.October 2017 Iberian wildfires - Wikipedia
    2017 British Columbia wildfires - Wikipedia
    In 2016, NASA reported and increase in fires around the world. https://www.nasa.gov/image-feature/nasa-sees-intense-fires-around-the-world
    Get the picture?

    Climate change isn't necessarily causing the fires, but it seems to be greatly intensifying them.
    Trump: California, Oregon wildfires the result of 'forest management'
    How Does Climate Change Affect Forest Fires?
    How Climate Change Is Fueling Hurricanes And Wildfires
    it's intensifying the hurricanes that are hitting Gulf Coast and Atlantic states in the U.S.
    How climate change makes hurricanes more dangerous - CNN
    And Trump is still taking Americans up that longest river in Africa: De Nile.
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  10. Tishomingo

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    How many are man started? Hard to say (there are so many, with so many different origins). Early reports were that the latest one in California was started by a couple at a gender reveal party, trying to reveal the gender of their unborn child by setting off an explosive device. A similar incident in Arizona set off a forest fire in 2017. Point is, conditions are such, thanks to climate change, that such incidents can trigger massive repercussions in terms of fires raging out of control.
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  11. The tricky part here is mixing up phrases like "climate change" with "human induced climate change"

    The worlds biomass was always going to increase as time goes on, fauna on the planet evolves, more stuff grows, dies off creating more fuel, intensifying fires

    That is, if humans had never existed, increased warming from increased biomass, more severe fires, would have happened anyway

    So the real question is how much is the human induced part?
  12. Those maps aren't fires, they are maps of radiant thermal radiation given off in a range normally associated with organic matter, reading values in the range of milliwatts to watts per square metre, which isn't much

    The Congo and the Amazon are all lit up, they are not all on fire, just a certain amount of density in organic material gives a reading

    Short version: red would be fires, orange some fires, orange and yellow mostly dense rainforest
  13. ZenKarma

    ZenKarma Administrator Staff Member Super Moderator

    That's just one layer available on windy.

    Check out the others...

    CO concentration


    PM 2.5 Particulates



    Ozone Layer

    Surface Ozone

    Dust Mass

    and more.
  14. Tishomingo

    Tishomingo Members

    Yes, that's the real question. Trump and his True Believers can take refuge in doubting that science "really knows exactly". Scientific knowledge is always inherently tentative. But the consensus seems to be overwhelming that human-induced climate change is now the principal cause.
    Human-led carbon emissions ‘outpacing rate which led to ancient mass extinction’
    'No doubt left' about scientific consensus on global warming, say experts
    Scientific Consensus | Facts – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet
    Scientific consensus reaches beyond 99% on human-caused climate change
    "That humans are causing global warming is the position of the Academies of Science from 80 countries plus many scientific organizations that study climate science. More specifically, around 95% of active climate researchers actively publishing climate papers endorse the consensus position."
    The 97% consensus on global warming
    The definitive study on the subject, by seven experts on climate change, Cook et al (2016)https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/11/4/048002/pdf, found that
    (1) depending on the measure, between 90% and 100% that agree humans are responsible for climate change, with most of their studies finding 97% consensus among publishing climate scientists.
    (2) The greater the climate expertise among the scientist, the higher the consensus on human-caused global warming.
    Accord, Anderegg (2010); Zimmerman and Doran (2009). A poll by the American Meteorological Society (2012), including science teachers and local weathermen, shows a smaller consensus, but still 59% who believe human activity is the primary cause. On the other side, we have Trump, the fossil fuel industry, their kept scientists, the Republican Establishment, and a minority of maverick scientists.
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  15. lapush

    lapush Members

    All of them.
    The judges turn them loose. It beats cleaning up the forests.
  16. There's an easy way out of this

    Tell me what the temperature increase from 1900 to 2020 would have been had humans never existed, that is the temperature change as a result of the increase of all other biomass

    If there is 97% consensus and they all know what they are talking about, then that question should be easy to answer

    What you are really trying to say is that there is increased fuel now on forest floors causing more frequent and more intense forest fires and that somehow humans only are responsible for that, which is totally ridiculous

    Headlines like 97% of scientists or climate researchers agree climate change is real don't really mean anything, that 97% could just be the dumbest 97%. Most of them nowadays get fired if they publically disagree anyway

    Covid proved how useless most epidemiologists are so why would the situation be all that different with climatologists
  17. Tishomingo

    Tishomingo Members

    Of course that's misrepresenting what they and I have said. Nobody has claimed that they can predict what the temperature increase would have been without humans. But most scientists think they can say with confidence that human sources were the main factor. As far as I'm concerned, it would be enough to show that human influence was a major factor.

    Talk about putting words in my mouth. I didn't say that fuel on forest floors has increased as a result of human activities. I said that dryness created tinder box conditions favorable for combustion.

    If the vast majority of climate scientists are dumb, we're in trouble. Speaking of ridiculous, that's a patently ridiculous statement. As a layman, I tend to go with the scientific consensus, which of course could be wrong. It's an educated bet.

    In other words, no reason to have more confidence in specialists and experts than in Aussie gorilla trolls. My impression is that the epidemiologists did a much better job with the novel corona than you did. If people had ignored you and Trump and followed your advice, they'd be better off. You carry sophistry to a new level.
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  18. ZenKarma

    ZenKarma Administrator Staff Member Super Moderator

    There goes VG again. If you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance baffle 'em with bullshit.
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  19. Angelmama

    Angelmama Members

    Trust Forrest Trump for real and trustworthy facts...
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