Help smash fascism! *LEEDS 2nd Nov*

Ah yes, everyone's a racist but you aren't they?
It must be tough for a liberal tollerant chap like you to live in this country.
When we've argued before, i've always tried to counter your comments with verifiable facts, you seem to ignore them and start another tirade of opinions.
so here goes:

"hmmm could you show me simular numbers being killed by neo nazis to the number of people being killed by jihadis ,"

Forty-seven race murders in Britain since Macpherson
By IRR News Team
3 August 2005, 3:00pm
Figures released today by the Institute of Race Relations show that there have been forty-seven murders with a known or suspected racial element since the publication of the Macpherson report in February 1999.

So have you got any evidence to support your claims that more people are killed in UK by Jihadis than in racist attacks? Show us!
Perhaps these names ring a little bell Anthony walker, stephen lawrence, hassan ali, this is not all one way though brown kids are killing white kids too, kriss donald, gavin hopley, ross parker.
I'm saying this whole war on terror/class of civilisations bullshit is dividing us, we shouldn't fight each other.
I'm not heartless about rape, no one should be raped. I'm dead against it. It does happen, but i think that muslims don't do it any more than any other group, have you got evidence to the contrary, please, lets see it.
I know the reality of living with muslim neighbours, they're on the whole good people, i'd far rather live in a poor muslim neighbourhood, than a poor white neighbourhood, because it's safer. That's my experience.
I think it's awful that non muslims are suffering in iran, they should not be treated so. It does have parrallels with nazism, but it is not the same thing. I think, just as you say, it's terrible that authors and film makers are threatened by british muslims, it souldn't happen.
There are 3% muslims in this country, there's not gonna be a jihadi revolution.
I'm convinced you must live somewhere that you never meet muslims, and so are able to hold these fanciful views unchallenged. Norwich maybe?
But as i say this thread is about opposing fascism, you seem to have turned it round to your favourite hobby horse your fear of muslims.
So let's drop the hype hysteria moral panic.
I asked you, as you hate those fascists so, will you be joining us to oppose them in Leeds in November, or are you too scared to leave the house incase you get beheaded by jihadis? there's alot of it about, apparently.
peace be upon you. X

 

What I said was show me similar numbers being killed by neo Nazis to jihadi killings, it wasn’t limited to the uk and I brought in the fact that Islamic fundamentalists control nuclear weapons and countries something neo Nazis do not do therefore they are more of a threat



But just in the uk if you wish



Your forty seven deaths are they all caused by neo Nazis or does that figure include all murder based on race in six years if they are all caused by members of the bnp well that would still be still less killed in six years than killed in the recent suicide attacks in London which killed 52 people.





You do seem heartless about rape if the victims are targeted because they are non Muslims or maybe white.



Lets put my case in another way ,if I said that lots of Baptist preachers were saying that a women not wearing Baptist clothing was asking to be raped or that someone dressed like a Muslim was asking to be raped .



And then I linked to a article that showed pictures of people who have been attacked and figures, and that certain Baptist countries had the concept of honour rapes where you had local judges sentencing young girls to be gang raped and statements from rapists that blamed their culture for their rapes in the west as a form of defence



Would you automatically dismiss my case or is it because your looking at things through the eyes of a racist, but in your case a racist that dismisses the possibility that black or brown people might be involved in cases of sectarian rapes against in some cases white people .





As I said earlier I am not saying that all Muslims are rapists just that you do have a concept of sectarian rape in lots of Islamic societies this can be directed against other sects in Islam as well as against westerners



At the moment in Iraq you have rape of either Sunni or Shia women as part of the ongoing war between Shia and Sunni Islam .



Now the media report on bombing attacks in the west so you can see that there are some people who want to kill non Muslims, how is it so far fetched that there might be some that wish to rape non Muslims





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You say you think its terrible that authors are killed who are critical about Islam well that’s good I’m sure they feel happy you feel bad about it, but that wont stop it happening will it .



Whether you like it or not we live in a situation that you risk your life by being a serious critic of Islam so you have a de facto blasphemy law that says don’t say anything that Muslims don’t like or you will be ritually killed.



None of the media dared publish the cartoons of Mohammed and even the protest march in favour of free expression was to scared to allow examples of the cartoon they were supposed to be supporting.



Some newspapers wanted to publish but the police told them they wouldn’t be able to protect them, so much for freedom of the press



And we have this situation with what you say is 3% of the population, it isn’t just numbers its passion and will that decide what sort of society you have.

Neo Nazis haven’t been able to stop people making cartoons of Hitler but Muslims have been able to stop people making cartoons of Mohammed





As I pointed out you don’t need to have a majority to have the start of de facto Islamic law and the slide towards Islamic rule ,as in the example of knee capping in Northern Ireland by a catholic minority constantly monitored by the British army





And the situation in Iran isn’t like Nazi Germany; Nazi Germany only oppressed minorities for less than twenty years with Iran you have oppression of non Muslims for far longer and its part of a worldwide oppression in Islamic majority countries that is happening today.





at present I live in the west country but I have lived in Saudi Arabia my father was Arabic speaking engineer who nearly converted to islam , but if you want I can introduce you to hundreds of people who think like me about Islam most of them are black or brown ex Muslims some live in the west some in the Islamic world some still have to pretend to be muslims because of the threat to apostates .



as to whether or not I will attend this march it appears to have taken place already .



The website the article about the march is on is socialist worker, the people who called ayaan hirshi Ali a women who is in hiding for making a film about the abuse of women a bully.





but it seemed to have been organised by unite against fascism and in the original article has quotations from Weyman Bennett a person I have personally met after not getting any response to complaints to uaf via email .



And who told me that he was happy to have the man who organised the campaign against salman Rushdie and who collected money for jihadis in his organisation in a special list of anti fascists supporters .





I told Weyman Bennett what I thought of his group being linked to islamofascists to his face as did some other people who don’t like a organisation that says its against fascism embracing religious bootboys .



He said that the reason he was embracing the man who organised the campaign against Rushdie and collected money for and was linked to jihadis was to get more numbers to fight the bnp.



I think he and his organisation is full of shit and totally fake, I think they have shown themselves to be a racist organisation in that they embrace fascists if they have brown or black skin.



and that if people really cared about people like Rushdie they should reject the people who supported his death, and any organisations that support or ally themselves with those people



you already knew that uaf have embraced the man who drove rushdie into hiding because we talked about it in a earlier thread and you said and I quote “ Yes it's dodgy but i'm happy to associate with anyone who hates the nazis, in order to oppose them.”



So you seem to take the same view as your fellow racist Weyman Bennett who seems to think Nazis are ok if they have black or brown skins or are part of a non western religion.

and you may say its terrible that authors are attacked, but if you are happy to associate with the people who attack them or that ally with the people that attack them your words of support for rushdie and for free speech are so much hot air .



I personally think that the people who supported calls for rushdies death should have been jailed for incitement to murder not on a list of honoured anti fascists



I feel sorry for any people taken in by unite against fascism, and would like to see a complete change of leadership and direction where they cut all links with islamofascist scum



Until that happens I would not be able to support unite against fascism, to me it would be a betrayal of people like salman Rushdie and people killed by jihadis murderers.



This is a great pity.



if any of the people who reading this choose to go to a unite against fascism event and see anyone from unite against fascism,



Ask them why they have Dr. Siddiqui of the

Muslim Parliament on their list of UAF supporters ,would they have Himmler as a anti fascist



This is where they have dr siddiqui

http://www.uaf.org.uk/aboutUAF.asp?choice=4





why do they have a man who was known as contemptuous of anything western, and whose hero was ayatollah Khomeini, who supported and collected money for jihadis all his life and set up a separate “Muslim parliament” .

Who wrote books on how to get theocratic states worldwide, and was the man who went to Khomeini with the idea of a fatwa against salman Rushdie in the first place on their special list of anti fascists .



I would like to know who is paying for unite against fascism and whether that has something to do with the people they choose to embrace ?.



if there are other organisations that are truly anti fascist and do not support islamofascism and religious rule yes I would be happy to attend their events .



And to England if you read this you have to ask yourself are you anti Islamic fascism or is this just a cover for racism.

look deeply at ayaan hirshi ali and the other black people in Europe who hate Islamic rule more than nick griffin and the bnp, are you against them because of their skin tone because I don’t see that they are in anyway a threat to British or European culture.

By opposing political Islam on a racial basis you lose a lot of the potential support that you could have